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144,000?
Kenneth Clark:
144,000 is a symbol in the book of symbols...i think it represents the church
newgene87:
--- Quote from: Kenneth Clark on July 02, 2012, 05:03:02 PM ---144,000 is a symbol in the book of symbols...i think it represents the church
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oh i finally get to quote ray here. i guess we can be careful with using "the church". so in the words of our Blessed Ray
"THE" CHURCH VS. "MY" CHURCH
During Jesus’ ministry, He spoke of "the" church and "My" church. There already existed "the church" (Matt. 18:17), at the very time that Jesus said He would build "MY CHURCH" (Matt. 16:18). For fifteen centuries God established Israel as a church:
"This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, ‘A Prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; Him shall ye hear.’ This is HE, that was in the CHURCH in the wilderness with the angel which spoke to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers who received the lively oracles to give unto us: To whom our fathers WOULD NOT OBEY, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt" (Acts 7:37-39).
We could, of course, trace the church back through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, back to Noah, and indeed, back to Adam.
DEFINING "CHURCH"
Just what is a "church?" Strong’s Greek Dictionary, #1570. ekklesia, a calling out. (1b) Ekklesia, from ek, "out of," and klesis, "a calling…" So the church is those whom God has CALLED OUT to be His "called out ones," hence, Jesus said, "So the last shall be first, and the first shall be last: for many be called, but few chosen."
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so those called-out of THE church, being the "REDEEMED of the earth" (Revelation 14:3). since also, these are those, "purchased by His own blood" (Acts 20:28). "The Church" can really be confused with mess going on here which Paul already forsaw and spoke of in Acts 20:29-30. so i guess, those who are total fellowship with Jesus who "follow the Lamb whereever he goes" (Rev 14:4) are those blessed ones
Gina:
Yes and it's clear it's speaking of the elect.
christalfan:
Life [..of a believer, Elect, Chosen, the Church, 144 000] is like playing a violin in public [proclaiming the true Gospel -- song, to ALL] . . . and learning the instrument [ righteousness of God] as one goes on.. 8) 8) This is just totally cool!
line stolen from Gina's footer, edit is mine! ::)
Gina:
I love your edits! You nailed it, my friend. Totally.
Be sure to look for my upcoming signature:
Fumbling Towards Ecstasy
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