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Why callest ME Good...none Good but God??
Gina:
--- Quote ---Even Jesus Himself was not perfected until He arose from the dead Luk 13:32. As long as we are in these earthly bodies of flesh,we,by nature,can not be of any good,unto the one that is Good Joh 6:63.
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- Marky
Really Marky-Mark? I dunno my friend...
Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?”
Does Jesus come into the flesh or not? True that flesh and blood cannot inherit eternal life, but literal flesh and bone is not itself sinful. It's the heart (the seat of emotion) that is deceitful, desperately wicked, not my skin, etc.
2 John 1:7 Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
1 John 4:2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
1 John 4:3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
We can't do anything good "unto the one that is Good" while in these earthen vessels?
Phil 2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
I'm pretty sure we can if God is working in us.
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?”
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Gina,do you believe you are good because Jesus had shown many good works?
--- Quote ---Does Jesus come into the flesh or not? True that flesh and blood cannot inherit eternal life, but literal flesh and bone is not itself sinful. It's the heart (the seat of emotion) that is deceitful, desperately wicked, not my skin, etc.
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If sin is missing the mark,which I believe it is,Your denial is with God, not me...
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
--- Quote ---Phil 2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
I'm pretty sure we can if God is working in us.
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Does God working in you make you good? Does not God work both good and evil in you?This verse states that it is for His good pleasure,not yours.
Peace...Mark
longhorn:
Paul was "sold under sin," was Jesus sold under sin like Paul? Heavens forbid such a blasphemous idea. Jesus was perfect body, Spirit and soul or He could not have been the perfect sacrifice.
You must be kidding Kat. How come Jesus said he would be perfected on the third day ( after his resurrection) incorruptable.
Be careful Marky Mark. I said the same thing as you ( and out of scripture) the very words of Paul inspired by the Holy Spirit and was called a blaspemour. Some people have no understanding of the words of Christ " Born of a woman, Born under the Law".
Kat:
To add to what Gina was saying about this.
Luke 13:32 And He said to them, "Go and say to this jackal, 'Lo! I am casting out demons and performing healings today and tomorrow, and the third day I am being perfected(G5048).'" (CLV)
Luke 13:32 And he said unto them—Go and tell this fox, Lo! I am casting out demons, and, cures, am I finishing, to-day, and to-morrow,— (Rotherham)
Luke 13:32 And he said to them, "Go and tell that fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course. (ESV)
Luke 13:32 And he said to them, "Go and tell that fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course. (rsv)
The words "I am being perfected/finishing" as is in Strong's.
G5048 - to complete, that is, (literally) accomplish, or (figuratively) consummate (in character): - consecrate, finish, fulfil, (make) perfect.
"The third day" surely indicated His resurrection, which the plan of human redemption was not "finished/prefected" until that was accomplished.
John 19:30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
When He died on the cross His work was done, He knew His Father would raise Him back to life so that His mission was completely for the redemption of mankind. Jesus Christ did not need to be made more perfect than perfect, He was already perfect, but at that time He did still have to perfect/finish/complete the work of dying on the cross.
Heb 5:9 And having been perfected(G5048), He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,
mercy, peace and,love
Kat
Gina:
Satan's shifty. Being PERFECT and being GOOD -- are they one and the same? Satan as shifty as he is, is PERFECT for that thing which he was created. Is he GOOD? Nope. (I liken Satan to the baking soda in the cookie dough of life--he's a necessary ingredient.)
Your original statement was:
--- Quote ---Even Jesus Himself was not perfected until He arose from the dead Luk 13:32. As long as we are in these earthly bodies of flesh,we,by nature,can not be of any good,unto the one that is Good Joh 6:63.
--- End quote ---
I said we can be used of God who is working in us to do His GOOD pleasure. But you switched on me and you come back and say:
--- Quote ---Does God working in you make you good?
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When did I say *I* was "good." We're talking about those works that the Father works in us. That is what is GOOD. God is not a HUMAN PERSON, though this body is His temple. Oh forget it--it would take too long to explain.
--- Quote --- Does not God work both good and evil in you?This verse states that it is for His good pleasure,not yours.
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Are you kidding me? Did you not see that it is God's GOOD pleasure? Since when is good evil? Good works are decidedly not evil works. How much more clear can I make that? Yes, we can be used of God to do good works. That's does not mean that I am yet perfected or completely good.
Jesus never sinned. Jesus' flesh was weak; it was not sin; it is the heart that is deceitful and desperately wicked; not the skin and the muscles and the tendons and so on.
Jesus is GOD.
Therefore Jesus *IS* GOOD.
In addition, as you stated, He is now perfect .... continued...
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