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Spiritual body seperate from flesh
rocky:
--- Quote from: jerreye on August 03, 2006, 09:25:37 PM ---Hi Jennifer,
"For the time HAS COME [now] that judgment must begin at the house of God (God's elect)".
I believe the scriptures state that judgment for God's people is now, in their natural lifetime, not after the resurrection.
For those outside the Kingdom (everyone who is not one of the elected Sons of God) are judged after their resurrection (which is the second resurrection) and purified through the lake of fire. Then they are able to come into the Kingdom.
The scriptures also state that "that is not first which is spiritual, but what is natural (natural life is first),then AFTERWARD the spiritual", thus all of those in the LOF / second resurrection must be resurrected with spiritual bodies and not natural bodies. (spiritual is after the natural, not the natural again).
I believe this is what Ray teaches on his website. If not, then someone smack me in the shnozz!
--- End quote ---
So are you thinking the LOF and the "second" resurrection are the same thing, meaning resurrection is a process???
jerreye:
--- Quote from: rocky on August 03, 2006, 11:18:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: jerreye on August 03, 2006, 09:25:37 PM ---Hi Jennifer,
"For the time HAS COME [now] that judgment must begin at the house of God (God's elect)".
I believe the scriptures state that judgment for God's people is now, in their natural lifetime, not after the resurrection.
For those outside the Kingdom (everyone who is not one of the elected Sons of God) are judged after their resurrection (which is the second resurrection) and purified through the lake of fire. Then they are able to come into the Kingdom.
The scriptures also state that "that is not first which is spiritual, but what is natural (natural life is first),then AFTERWARD the spiritual", thus all of those in the LOF / second resurrection must be resurrected with spiritual bodies and not natural bodies. (spiritual is after the natural, not the natural again).
I believe this is what Ray teaches on his website. If not, then someone smack me in the shnozz!
--- End quote ---
So are you thinking the LOF and the "second" resurrection are the same thing, meaning resurrection is a process???
--- End quote ---
Rocky, I'm not certain how you came to that conclusion based on what I said (?) I do not believe the second resurrection is a process. I believe it is a single event in time. However, I believe that the LOF will be a process...that's for sure :) The LOF follows the second resurrection.
rocky:
--- Quote from: jerreye on August 04, 2006, 01:35:18 AM ---
--- Quote from: rocky on August 03, 2006, 11:18:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: jerreye on August 03, 2006, 09:25:37 PM ---Hi Jennifer,
"For the time HAS COME [now] that judgment must begin at the house of God (God's elect)".
I believe the scriptures state that judgment for God's people is now, in their natural lifetime, not after the resurrection.
For those outside the Kingdom (everyone who is not one of the elected Sons of God) are judged after their resurrection (which is the second resurrection) and purified through the lake of fire. Then they are able to come into the Kingdom.
The scriptures also state that "that is not first which is spiritual, but what is natural (natural life is first),then AFTERWARD the spiritual", thus all of those in the LOF / second resurrection must be resurrected with spiritual bodies and not natural bodies. (spiritual is after the natural, not the natural again).
I believe this is what Ray teaches on his website. If not, then someone smack me in the shnozz!
--- End quote ---
So are you thinking the LOF and the "second" resurrection are the same thing, meaning resurrection is a process???
--- End quote ---
Rocky, I'm not certain how you came to that conclusion based on what I said (?) I do not believe the second resurrection is a process. I believe it is a single event in time. However, I believe that the LOF will be a process...that's for sure :) The LOF follows the second resurrection.
--- End quote ---
my misunderstanding, I thot this quote " thus all of those in the LOF / second resurrection must be resurrected with spiritual bodies and not natural bodies. (spiritual is after the natural, not the natural again)" was connecting the two as one with the slash.
sorry.
jerreye:
ahhhh, I see how you came tothat conclusion. No need to be sorry :)
joeshrink:
I recently read a book about the mind-spirit problem. Basically the western christian mind set which is dualistic (soul/body) is in deep doodoo (I try to use technical language when I can) scientifically. With the advent of the MRI, science has been able to dispell many myths about the brain and how it functions. Out of this recent research a very minimalistic phylosophy has grown. There are many who believe (and have solid proof) that we really are a sum of chemical and electrical impulses and that a lot of what we think is free will really is predisposition and that our fate is tied to our genes and environment.
The crux of the issue is that when the brain is damaged the essence of the person can change drastically, even engaging in what the Christian world calls sinful behavior- even uncrontrolably. A good example of this is people who have frontal lobe damage (which is thought to be the center of reason) become very impulsive (follow this link to Phineas Gage http://www.brainconnection.com/topics/?main=fa/phineas-gage) 'So what' you may say. The problem is that those people who were "saved" and lead very Christian lives changed the moment damage occured to their brains.
Here is where I am struggling...
I have always had a fairly deep belief in the afterlife and heaven and hell. I now have had to rethink much of my understanding because I cannot ignore what research after research is finding. I recently have had some conversations with others who are leaning towards the notion that when Jesus spoke of eternal life he was speaking of finite abundant life. It has occured to me that a greater sacrifice would be to live this finite life as Jesus did with the motivation of love--- without the rewards of a positive afterlife.
What do ya'll think- I have thick skin so you can let me have it!
Joeshrink
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