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Who will we be?
indianabob:
Hi Doug,
I think it likely that they in the physical kingdom of the age to come shall be taught in much the same way that we are today, by the leading of God's spirit in their minds and hearts as they learn to obey the new way of life that will be shown to them. We today learn by reading and by sharing the trials of our journey among ourselves and as God miraculously graces us with deeper understanding through the indwelling of His holy spirit. In like manner it may be that we will teach each person righteousness through the operation of the spirit through our efforts as members of Lord Jesus' staff of assistants, the Lake of Fire.
Isa 30:20 And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers:
Isa 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
John 15:26 "When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.
John 16:7 But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.
Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.
1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
doug:
Hello Jerry, good morning to you -
The conflict I have with you bringing the idea of the possibility of fornication if there being no marriage in the resurrection of the saints is that the point of heaven is that there will be absolutely no sin. That being said, how could there possibly be fornication. Marriage on earth is the physical sign.. the shadow of the spiritual marriage in heaven. The physical has the fornication, adultery, lust, homosexuality, bestiality and all other perversions of marriage and relationships. The spiritual is sin less. I can see where sexuality in the Kingdom Age is that all earthly perversions of true sexuality are overcome, especially the biggest perversion, selfishness. The highest pleasure is selfgiving and in the resurrection when all egotistic perversions are totally eliminated, all pleasure is increased. Whether this includes the physical sexual pleasure or not, remains to be seen. I don't see where the body is a mistake to be unmade in the resurrection, but a Divine work to show the splendor and glory of God's creativity. If there is no physical eating involved, and no giving birth, and no breathing and all the other functions the physical body performs... then why a stomach, intestines, a nose, mouth, ears, and all the organs inside the body? A person could go to extremes on this! We will all be hollow bubbles like Casper the Ghost! Walking thru walls and doors! I can't see God doing that to us. Like I said, God may unmake what we make... but He does not unmake what He makes!
Like JFK has mentioned - if there are no genders then we will have to be "its"! I just don't like the idea of viewing the resurrection life as looking at a Hallmark greeting card with cherubs flitting around! I just can't see the God Family like that!
Okay, with that being said.... I like you Jerry... after comparing all the scriptures given here on this thread.... am leaning to no physical sex in "heaven". :) Too many problems involved... just like here on earth. ;D
doug
santgem:
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Mat 22:30
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Rev 5:10
Not a priestess or a queen…
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1Jo 3:2
Not daughters when he shall appear.
We shall be like Jesus. Like the angels of God in heaven. We will be the sons of God.
And at that time, we will be and having JOCOPELO :) ;)
Kat:
Yes this is my contemplations, but meditated on considering what is stated in Scriptures and not an emotional responce. Now of course these physical bodies that we have now are for a purpose that goes beyond this life. I believe the reason we are born into this physical creation is so we can have this life experience and develop the characteristics and personalities that make us the unique individuals we are. God wants children, but He wants many variations of this human intellect that we develop, He could make us robots, but that's not what He wants. He already has myriads of angels created in exact designs to serve Him.
Now with this physical process He is developing the incredible varied distinctions that this life brings about, the most obvious is the male and female. But just think about all the variables that are in this life so that no two people come out the same; family, social class, environment, location, era, and then we have our own set of personal circumstances; gender, personality, health and trials. We all turn out as unique individuals and I think it is totally designed that way and will not be lose in resurrection. Why would God erase the personality and characteristics that has taken so much time and effort to develop that make us such interesting individuals? I believe that is a major important reason that we have this life and what God is seeking, a huge family of unique and interesting beings. I think after resurrection we will recognize each other as who we are/were.
Though of course there will be a huge difference, when we lose the flesh in the resurrection that will remove the corruption it contains and the desires that go with it. We will no longer be carnal flesh, we will be born into the kingdom and be in the image of God and He certainly does not have the pulls/desires of the flesh. We will be "like Him" (1Jn 3:2) in that Christ was the perfect servant of the Father.
John 5:30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.
When we are born into the kingdom, married to Christ and become one with God and all of the fleshly desire will vanish with the corrupt/carnal flesh. We will be "like" Christ in that our utmost desire will not be to self, but to do the will of the Father. At that time where would there be a place for the physical bestial sexual desires of the carnal fleshly appetite? The physical flesh is temporary, it is just the means needed to accomplish a greater purpose for us and we will leave all this base carnal desires behind.
What will it be like to put on the spiritual body, maybe Paul when he was taken to the 3rd heaven got an idea. But even then there was no way for him to explain it, as I guess it just doesn't compare to anything physical.
2Co 12:3-4 And I know that this man was caught up into paradise--whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows-- and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter.
But Paul does say that God will not leave us completely in the dark on the mysteries and depths of God, who does reveal things as He sees fit.
1Co 2:9-10 But, as it is written, "What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him"-- these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.
Mat 13:11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
indianabob:
Very well stated Kat,
We are blessed to be able to share this understanding even as limited as our vision is at this time.
Thank you for sharing, Indianabob
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