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Ray said.....
Gina:
--- Quote ---Satan is said to be loosened after the 1000 years but he is never said to actually do anything.
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Rev. 20:7-8 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.
You mean "deceiving the nations to gather them together for the war" isn't doing anything? ???
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Gina on July 28, 2012, 04:22:59 AM ---
--- Quote ---Satan is said to be loosened after the 1000 years but he is never said to actually do anything.
--- End quote ---
Rev. 20:7-8 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.
You mean "deceiving the nations to gather them together for the war" isn't doing anything? ???
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You're reading what they are setting out to do, that doesn't mean it gets accomplished. Follow along to the next few verses:
Rev 20:9-10 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
This is why I stated the theory of Satan doing more harm after Christ returns makes no sense. The scriptures state that Jesus will reign until all is subject to Him, and then He will subject Himself to the Father [1 Cor 15:28]. When we attempt to let scriptures from Revelation interpret themselves, it always leads to confusion. We have to reconcile these passages from other scriptures, especially those from the OT.
I can't speak for Ray, but I think this is what he may have been implying when he made these comments...but again, I can't say for sure:
-------------- From 'How We Got the Bible' Mobile Conference 2007
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
v. 3 And he cast him into the bottomless pit (abyss), and shut him up and set a seal on him, that he should deceive the nations no more until the thousand years should be fulfilled. And after that he must be loosed a little season.
That verse gives me a problem, it would take a long time to explain why. Believe me most people that teach and write books on these prophecies, don’t have a clue. Not only do they not have the answers, they don’t even know what the problems are.
I used to think the same thing, until I noticed that what Satan sets out to do never actually gets accomplished. But that is my thought, not Ray's.
Marques
Kat:
Rev 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain.
v. 2 And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
v. 3 and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended...
We know from those verses that Satan will be bound and not be able to do his work of deception when Christ reigns on earth for the "1000 years" period. That '1000' yrs seems to be a symbol for a period of time... maybe the first age of judgement? Why I say 'first age' is because the Scripture speak of those not saved in that 1000 yr reign of Christ.
Mat 12:32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
We can see that there are at least 2 phases to the judgment on earth, because there are those that "will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come." But we would not really think of those as an large number, that commented that sin. But in verse 8 it says that it certainly is, the "number is as the sand of the sea."
Rev 20:7-8 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
It has occurred to me that there may be more than those spoken of in Matt. 12:32 that would greatly add to their number. Think of all those babies and young children resurrected back to life when Christ will be ruling, they will be raised under His rule... what judgment will they face? Of course they will make mistakes and be corrected throughout their lives. But do they need to be deceived and rebel, before they can really be judged with fire? Will that be Satan's job when he is "...after these things he must be released for a little while" (Rev. 20:3)? Maybe these 2 groups will make up those that make this huge number that are "as the sand of the sea," and are the "nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog." Most of those would be the children raised up in the kingdom and not know of the "the wiles of the devil" (Eph 6:11). He could deceive them and cause them to rebel. So I can see this as necessary and God would be ready for them with fire and judgment.
Rev 20:9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.
v. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night unto the ages of ages.
So would that be another age - the 2nd age of judgment for those who rebel with those not forgiven in the first age of judgment? And that verse also states "ages of the ages," could that imply that there are yet ages of judgment after those? Maybe there are more ages for Satan and his demons?
As you can see there are quite a few question marks as this is certainly not something I have nailed down, but just wanted to call attention to some things for consideration.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
the truth:
Hello Marques,Gina ,rsks
AS has already been stated.We have to confirm with the other Scriptures to know we have truth.And we know he has a order.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
v-23-Christ.....being the firstfruit to the Father.Then Christ offering HIS firstfruit to the Father...Matt-27-52-53.AKA...the Barley...Afterward they who are Christ at his coming...Elect.........{wheat}..see James 1-18.Jesus was mortal when he raised the dead on earth.But his resurrection started the new creation with Spirit.So are we to think that he would start His knew creation with something that would die again?NO, i don't think there is a walt disney world heaven with lots of people running around up there.But remember the ORDER...So there could not be.
v-24-28-To make a quick thought here is what..... I .....see God plan is.IN short.
The feast is a 8 day celebration...7 days..celebration and rejoicing.8th day sabbath-rest which represents New beginnings which equals New heaven ..new earth.
Christ calls his elect some were in the feast of trumpets and the day of atonement which leads up to the feast of tabernacle.which IS the 1000 years. For the marriage supper of the lamb.The reign begins...see zech-14..satan is bound for a season.The elect are teaching The gentiles who survived the tribulation and their families during the feast of tabernacle.=1000.Then satan has to be released to fulfill the Scriptures....Lk-24-44.This is at the end of the feast of tabernacle/1000 when they in camp the city.Thus the great white throne.They who are raised in judgement....Have to be perfected through the things they have suffered.Just like Jesus NOBODY gets out of that.So as has been stated "The rest did not live until after the 1000 years ."I know its" spurious? "...anyway...Going back to God order .
Because he has a order..Those who are resurrected at the white throne judgement have a order as well..that's way it says It Will be more Tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah than for you.And is part of the reason why the Jew will go in last.
Anyway there is a thousand more truths to this that I have shared.I realize for some they will say I wish he would explain it a little better.And I can just not here!This is just my thoughts.God Bless!
Gina:
God hasn't really put this on my heart to study in depth at this time, so I'm going to gracefully step out of this discussion. I think you all make good points though; you, especially, Marques. Thanks.
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