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Gina:

--- Quote from: Arcturus on August 03, 2012, 01:14:11 AM ---
;D ROFL...Hey Ian, I love that you don't let up!

--- Quote from: Ian 155 on August 02, 2012, 02:51:21 PM ---Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.

By most replys,Gods Will, it seems is for us to do/listen to, these instructions listed above or does God allow for incompetence without judgement

I underlined Allow especially for you Arc :)) strong verse that ...thanks

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For starters, can you or I or anyone NOT give place to the devil, of their own free will? NO! LOL ~ ;D

You want to stop sinning and the more you try and the more you clean out your house, the more devils move in! LOL....It is a lesson in humility! lol.

GOD CAUSES EVIL IN THE CITY

Let’s take a close look at that last Scripture in our list:

“…shall there be evil [Heb: ra—‘bad, evil’] in a city, and the Lord has not done it? (Amos 3:6)

There’s the question; what’s the answer? The answer from all Christendom is “Yes.” “Yes” there shall be all kinds of evil in a city, and the Lord has not done it. In fact, according to their teaching, the Lord does no evil in any city, ever. World famous teacher/preacher/theologian/author, Billy Graham said before a packed house in the National Cathedral, that GOD DOES NOT CREATE EVIL. But what saith the Scriptures (Amos 3:4-6):

“Can two walk together, except they be agreed?"

Answer: NO!

“Will a lion roar in the forest, when he has not prey?"

Answer: NO!

“Will a young lion cry out of his den, if he have taken nothing?"

Answer: NO!

“Can a bird fall in a snare upon the earth, where no gin [baited trap] is for him?"

Answer: NO!

“Shall one take up a snare [shall a snare spring up] from the earth, and have taken [caught] nothing at all?"

Answer: NO!

“Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid?"

Answer: NO!

“Shall there be EVIL in a city and the LORD HAS NOT DONE IT?"

Answer: NO!

The Answer is “NO”!

I am now speaking to the mature only. This information is too heavy, too hard, too overwhelming for the carnal-minded person. Have you ever wondered just where it is that the proverbial “rubber meets the road?” Well, right here is where the rubber meets the road. If you don’t accept; if you cannot accept, if you will not accept the truth of all these double-witness Scriptures presented above, then you will never understand God’s plan of salvation for the human race.

Seven times in Amos 3 God asks us a question, and SEVEN TIMES THE ANSWER IS “NO”! NO, there shall not be EVIL in a city [any city—all cities] unless THE LORD HAS DONE IT! The truth of this Scripture (along with hundreds and hundreds like it) is so powerful, so absolutely earth-shattering, that the mere fact of me quoting it and suggesting that it is a true statement, will evoke hate mail from far and wide.
http://bible-truths.com/lake15-C.html

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Thanks for the reminder and reply here, Deb. :-)

Deborah-Leigh:

You're always welcome G. ~ 8)

eagle:

--- Quote from: Ian 155 on August 01, 2012, 09:56:07 AM ---Members,

Was the allowed and successful temptation of Adam and Eve in the Garden a stereotype of what we go thru every day - the more we succumb to deceit the more pain the more harder this life is [thorns and thistles]- that is until we are perfected

ian

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Hi Ian. The way I see it, is that the tree of knowledge of good and evil is
The Law.
I will present what I see as spiritual matches in the old and new Testament:
And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put(free will? NO!!) the man whom he had formed.
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold( under sin.
We also have to notice, that it is a garden eastward in Eden.
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked.
and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons,(own works)
So there it is, man takes the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil
and looks at himself and sees, that he is naked (unrighteous). but check this out:

Luke 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he(Jesus) took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. And their eyes were opened, and they knew him

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith

Gina:

--- Quote ---Hi again Ian. I forgot to adress the thorns and thistles, so here it is:
Matt 7:15-16 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles

So the thorns and thistles are false prophets.
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I can kinda see that, Eagle. :) What you said is very interesting to me.

See, I remember how Ray said that everything on the earth came out of the earth:

Listen, everything there is on the earth, came out of the earth. Everything! Everything on the earth came out of the earth.
( forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=9130.0 )

WE CAME OUT OF THE EARTH!

I don't know if this will make any sense to anyone but me but what the heck - lets go!

. . .

Genesis 1:11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so.

Hebrews 6:

1 Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,

2 of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.

3 And this we will do, if God permits.

4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

7 For ground [WE COME FROM THE GROUND/EARTH] that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God;

8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

1 Corinthians 3

11 For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12 Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,

13 each man’s work will become evident [their fruit will become evident; you'll know [ourselves?] them by the fruit]; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work.

14 If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward.

15 If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

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