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Ray's Teaching on the Creation
Gina:
Thank you, Kat. This is what Dave meant:
--- Quote ---Evening and morning have to do with a condition. The evening is a condition that comes about at the end of a day. Morning is a condition that comes about at the end of a night. So don’t be coming up with definitions of stuff that don’t exist. Evening is as it begins to get dark, going from daylight to darkness. That transition period is the evening. As it goes from dark to becoming light, that division there between darkness and light, that is called morning. It doesn’t last for three hours or six hours or twelve hours, like a day and a night do.
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cjwood:
thank you kathy for the listing. your work for this website is a testament of your love for the Word of God, and it's being rightly divided. and your love and compassion for ray.
i remember what you were talking about dave, from the conference. it was surely mind blowing and spiritually explosive to hear this teaching.
claudia
Kat:
Hi Gina, yes I remember what Dave mentioned as well. But we know that Ray tends to add numerous details and this 'evening and morning' was spread out over quite a bit of material. So I was thinking that to bring together what he spoke about on that specifically would help see this without other distractions.
Thanks Claudia for the kind words. Of course I gain as much from this as anybody, but it is my pleasure to share with others who might benefit as well. It is the love and compassion for the truth that keeps me motivated and of course that can only come from God.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
santgem:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,8385.msg68318.html#msg68318 ----
Quotes from the book by Dr. Gerald L. Schroeder will appear in italic.
The Hebrew for evening is ‘ereb’ and this is the literal meaning of the word, although the root of the word carries with it implications far beyond that of a setting sun. What is the visual sensation of an evening? Darkness begins, objects become obscured and blurred. The root of ereb means just that, mixed up, stirred together, disorderly.
The Hebrew for morning is ‘boqer’ it’s meaning is quite the opposite of ereb. Morning brings the first light, objects mingled by the dark of night become distinct entities. This is the root meaning of boqer; discernable, able to be distinguished, orderly.
It is interesting that Jesus Christ died and was buried in the evening. When did He rise? In the morning.
Had the text said that it was morning and then evening, our concept of a day might have been better satisfied. But the sequence is included in here, it always starts with evening. There is a systematic flow of disorder, chaos or evening to order - cosmos, order or morning. To appreciate this rarity of flow of disorder to order we must at this point acquire more understanding of the laws of thermodynamics. Entropy, chaos, out of order. Not order out of chaos. The laws of thermodynamics that control the universe is bringing something that is orderly into disorder and chaos, everywhere always.
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Now comes the major psycho-physiologic question; If the universe trend is towards chaos, why is there order at all?
If the basic laws of physics dictate that orderly things slow down, get colder, deteriorate and go from order to chaos, why is there order anywhere in the universe? It seems to defy the laws of thermodynamics, which work on everything, always everywhere.
The ordered complexities of life is clearly extraordinary. The universe might have remained the mass of randomly moving electrons, protons and assorted subatomic particles, present at that first speck of time referred to as “In the beginning.” If such were the case we would not be here to wonder about it or the overriding purpose of this flow of the universe from it’s state of the Big Bang to the form we observe today.
The Author of Genesis thought this flow towards order was sufficiently important and exceptional, to emphasize it at regular repartition, “and it was evening and there was morning.”
Because everything else in science and in the universe goes the other way. But God is making this go contrary to that. Life is different. Life is special.
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The Biblical text describes this localize progression from less order to more order as a flow from evening to morning. Or more accurately from ereb to boqer.
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Onkelos that translates where it says everything “was very good” and he says everything was an “unified order.” At that point it was a unified order. What was it before? It was chaos, then every created period went from chaos to order… from chaos to order… from chaos to order until finally at the end of the six periods, everything was a unified order. That’s how God got rid of the chaos. God uses a process. Why does He use that process? Why does He do a lot of things? God does strange things.
http://bible-truths.com/email3.htm#Sabbath
Seriously, this is not a difficult matter to resolve. However, we need to be careful about labeling things. Scripturally, there is no such thing as the "CHRISTIAN Sabbath." The Sabbath commandment was given to ancient Israel, not to Christians. The Christian Sabbath, the day on which Christians rest and worship is clearly SUNDAY! Christendom as a whole with a few exceptions such as Seventh Day Adventists have kept Sunday as their day of worship down through the centuries.
So clearly, SUNDAY is the Christian Sabbath, if we insist on using that awkward terminology.
The Sabbath that Jesus Christ observed (AND BROKE), was not, however, Sunday or the first day of the week. We know for a fact, historically, the Sabbath being kept in the time of Christ's earthly ministry, was the SEVENTH day or Saturday. Actually from Friday sunset till Saturday sunset.
From my point's of view, my interpretation from the order in such a way that;
morning is ‘boqer’
Sunday evening is ‘ereb’
morning is ‘boqer’
Mon. evening is ‘ereb’
morning is ‘boqer’
Tues. evening is ‘ereb’
morning is ‘boqer’
Wed. evening is ‘ereb’
morning is ‘boqer’
Thur. evening is ‘ereb’
morning is ‘boqer’
Frid. evening is ‘ereb’
morning is ‘boqer’
Sat. evening is ‘ereb’
If Christian Sabbath is Sunday then the first day is Monday. Monday boger is 1 day tues. boger is 2nd day, wed. boger is 3rd day……. Sunday boger is 7th day. God rested on Sunday boger “morning” and that is day.
Now,
If ancient Israel Sabbath is Saturday then the first day is Sunday.
Why 1st day is Sunday? Because the order is , it always starts with evening. There is a systematic flow of disorder, chaos or evening to order - cosmos, order or morning.
Therefore, the Saturday starts at evening because of the order, then follow a 1st day ‘boqer’ in Sunday, Monday is 2nd day or boger, Tuesday is 3rd day or boger, Wednesday is 4th day or boger, Thursday is 5th day or boger, Friday is 6th day or boger and lastly Saturday is 7th day or boger……..Saturday is the 7th day and God rested.
Please feel free to correct if I misunderstood on Ray’s paper.
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