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Two Witnesses
Kat:
Hi Eugene,
--- Quote ---So who are the two anointed ones or sons of the oil???
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I'll take a stab at this. Okay as we have "anointed ones" in Zec 4, compare to Rev. 11.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto My two witnesses 3144, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
G3144 martus - a witness (literally [judicially] or figuratively [generally]); by analogy a “martyr”: - martyr, record, witness.
Martyr - One who, by his death, bears witness to the truth of the gospel.
So these "two witnesses" are those put to death - spiritually. Also in verse 3 "they shall prophesy," which is speaking under inspiration. It's those who have been put to death while in the flesh and speak under inspiration of the Holy Spirit - the Elect.
Then the next verse referrs to the witnesses as "two olive trees."
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.
And that takes us back to Zechariah.
Zec 4:11 Then I answered and said to Him, "What are these two olive trees--at the right of the lampstand and at its left?"
v. 12 And I further answered and said to Him, "What are these two olive branches that drip into the receptacles of the two gold pipes from which the golden oil drains?"
v. 13 Then He answered me and said, "Do you not know what these are?" And I said, "No, my lord."
v. 14 So He said, "These are the two anointed ones, who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth."
So these anointed ones, and what does it mean to be anointed?
2Co 1:21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God,
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Paul speakes to the believers as "anointed" of God. I hope this is helpful.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Craig:
I think we may never know the answer until it is time to know. What we can do is guess, which is conjecture at best, nothing wrong with that as long as we treat it as such and not turn it into a truth or idol.
I think Ray was on to something with Zach. But did not finish his thoughts.
Sorry Kat, no offense but I don't believe it is the "elect".
Just my opinion, and if it was worth anything I don't think you would even have enough for a cup of coffee.
Craig
John from Kentucky:
http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm
Read and study all of truth #6 from the attached article from Ray.
Unless I cannot read simple English, Ray is saying that the two witnesses are the New Covenant Scriptures and the Old Covenant Scriptures. And in both of them is the statement that in the mouth of two witnesses every word must be established.
When I read of the two witnesses in Revelation, and understand it refers to the New and Old Covenant Scriptures, then it makes sense to me. Especially when one knows that Revelation is symbolic and not literal.
Olive trees and olive oil is symbolic of the Spirit of God in the scriptures.
Consuming fire is also symbolic of God and His Spirit, which from the two witnesses of His Word, cleanses everything of sin and error.
;D ;D ;D All of the false teachers of the Babylon churches, deep down, think they are one of the two witnesses. The only thing that stumps them is that they do not know who the 2nd witness is because they know of no one as righteous as themselves. ;D ;D ;D
mharrell08:
Ray never elaborated on this subject, though members have speculated in times past.
From my experience on the forum, very rarely do members agree to one another's interpretation of the symbols in Revelation. Most just find Scriptures from the OT with the same wording, post them next to the Revelation text, and imply a 'spiritual match' without the actual meaning of either. That's not sound teaching, just more speculation.
It's also why we don't allow new teaching on the forum. It never seems to edify the members and causes unnecessary strife.
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