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the truth:
Hello,.....Was this the Mosaic law or the" Oral law"? Was unable to find were Ray might have taught on this.Find a few post on it but it never touched on my question.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
newgene87:
I will put my 2 cents in. For the most part, this is the Mosaic Law. Written in the Torah is this...
"And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them. But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee (Deut 28:14-15).
Paul to the Ephesians, said this was "the law of commandments in ordinances..." (Eph 2:15) All this was contained in the Mosaic Law. Then Moses writes this vital principle...
Deu 29:19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:
Deu 29:20 The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.
Deu 29:21 And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law:
This may be written towards the Jewish nation but Paul did not excuse the Gentiles out of this, but declares..."..the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
So because of this law, there were judgments and curses which followed and all those curses are listed in Deut 28:16 and on. It was "contrary to us" for we could not keep the whole law. If we stumble in one, we are guilty of ALL. But Christ blotted out these against us, redeemed us from the curse of the law; and we are COMPLETE in Christ (Col 2:10). Truly it's the Mosaic Law, but in Christ, we are a new creation. maybe that helps
Eugene
Gina:
--- Quote from: the truth on August 12, 2012, 03:59:09 PM ---Hello,.....Was this the Mosaic law or the" Oral law"? Was unable to find were Ray might have taught on this.Find a few post on it but it never touched on my question.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you ALL trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us which was contrary to us,, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
--- End quote ---
Good question. Interesting topic. I don't recall Ray speaking about "oral" laws in depth. There may be someone else here who does.
I ask a favor though: If we're going to go there, could we first establish the difference between the Mosaic law and the oral law? Reason why is, I don't see how "oral" (man-made?) laws could possibly be "shadows of things to come."
Thanks. :)
the truth:
Hello newgene...Hope all is well with you and family!Thanks for your response!
Do you say this because of what you been taught Eugene?Or what you believe that Col-2-15-17 is saying?Exspecially when we consider ..
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Thanks again Eugene for your response.
the truth:
Hello Gina
your question:don't see how "oral" (man-made?) laws could possibly be "shadows of things to come."
I think as you stated the difference is "Oral "being Man made laws not Gods.
Your question:laws could possibly be "shadows of things to come
that's a huge questions which takes a lot of explaining trust me..Which I have already learned every one here must seek on there own.How can these things new moon ,sabbaths,etc be a shadow of things to come?
Pro 7:20 He took a pouch of silver in his hand, And he shall come back to his home only with the day of full moon.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scripture.
Gina,I thank you for your response and of course you don't have to respond.Because I may have not given you a clear answer to your question. I totally respect that.I have given you some of those answers in a pm in times past.Its already been established some of my thought on this subject in view as how... I....see this "New Covenant" term.See past post.At least you see this as a "interesting" topic.Jerry....God Bless Gina.
Also:Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.....would you say this is the Mosaic law?
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