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Tares in contrast to Chaff
Dave in Tenn:
Just want to add personally that I share your enthusiasm when all these connections with scripture we already "know" begin to click. Those 'spiritual synapses' firing and making this relate to that, and that relate to this, and this making sense making that make sense are WONDERFUL! I know I've had a good day when it happens, and some days are so full of them that it's hard to contain it.
And for me, at least, it happens in moments when I'm not studying or reading as well as when I am. I can be watching television or just wandering around the house and some piece of scripture I may not have heard for years (and trust me, there were a LOT of years I didn't hear any scripture at all) falls into the 'logic' of the Gospel.
Physically and emotionally I'm not in a great place right now, and I hope a sincere warning that we have to stay grounded in truth doesn't come over like a wet blanket quenching the Spirit. Over and over again whenever I've been pulled back to what is true, the truth is so much better by contrast that I just want to stay there.
So anyways, that's that.
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Eugene
It is all ONE. ~ :)
Jesus comes to us as a Comforter, but also as a Refiner. All the symbolic, spiritual fires of Scripture are the same fire. The fire of Gehenna, eonian fire, unquenchable fire, furnace of fire, salted with fire, fire already kindled, God's consuming fire, chaff burning fire, tares burning fire, fiery trials, ministry of flaming fire, and lake of fire are all the same spiritual consuming fire of God. And they all accomplish the same thing--THEY PURIFY!
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D5.htm
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who WILL HAVE ALL MEN TO BE SAVED" (I Tim.2:4).
http://bible-truths.com/lake15-D.html
levycarneiro:
Just adding some notes...
--- Quote from: newgene87 on August 14, 2012, 04:53:43 PM ---Psalms 35:5
Let them be as chaff before the wind:
and let the angel of the Lord chase them.
--- End quote ---
Interesting that the Concordant Version of the Old Testament renders this as:
5 May they become like trash before the wind,
With a messenger of Yahweh expelling them
6 Let their way become dark and slick surfaced
With a messenger of Yahweh pursuing them.
First it renders it as trash, interesting. And the messenger is not chasing it, he's expelling them (makes more sense). Only in verse 6 he does pursue them.
Kat:
I would like to continue with Dave's line of thinking on this. We all know that wheat is a grain plant. Tares/darnel is a ryegrass which looks much like wheat in its early stages of growth, but is not edible. The 'chaff' is not a plant, but the husk, a dry, scaly protective casing of the wheat grain. Chaff is not edible, nor desirable with the wheat, so it is remove. One way to get rid of the chaff is by thrashing, since it is light and fluffy and blows away easily and then it's piled up and burned.
So in the parable, the wheat is the elect and the tares are those who come among us, but are not truly converted. The chaff represents the unwanted part on the wheat/elect and is the same thing as the wood, hay and stubble mentioned in Scripture.
1Co 3:12-13 And if anyone builds on this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble, each ones work shall be revealed. For the Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try each ones work as to what kind it is.
So in the parable the chaff of the wheat is like that being spoken of here in 1 Cor. "wood, hay, stubble," it's represents a person undesirable 'works' and that's the part that needs to be removed and burned.
1Co 3:14 If anyone's work which he built remains, he shall receive a reward.
v. 15 If anyone's work shall be burned up, he shall suffer loss. But he shall be saved, yet so as by fire.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
newgene87:
Thanks Dave and mama kat ;D ;D or should I say papa Dave? :). I got it and it makes sense. So just to add a question here; would the "chaff" "of "wheat" be in comparison to "dross" of "precious metals"??
Proverbs 25:4
Take away the dross from the silver,
and there shall come forth a vessel for the finer.
It makes sense to me somehow I just wanna make sure it's according to truth tho. And wouldn't "tares" be part of the "wood, hay, and stubble" since all will eventually be "burned....and saved, yet as by fire??" I hope im not making it difficult, just want to be faithful an committed to thought of scripture and praying that I be guided in truth. So other than that; I pretty much got it.
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