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Extol:
Denise,
I'm a bit late to the discussion but I'd like to give you two short reminders:
1. It's all a parable (or a shadow, if you will). Learning about the historical, literal facts of ancient Israel and Egypt is informative and interesting, but it's of little value spiritually. Remember to keep the letter separate from the spirit.
2. My kingdom is not of this world [John 18:36]. It sounds like you want the earthly, Old Testament Israel to be the perfect kingdom of God, when in fact it's anything but. The Israel of Moses' day was not the kingdom of God any more than I am Jesus Christ.
newgene87:
I agree with Craig. But I guess it's hard to separate "God from religion" when you believe or think religion couldve made up God. Idk what to say. We're praying for you though. Actually, all Jesus did was for you :) :).
Romans 5:8
But God commends his own love unto us in that-- we as yet being sinners, Christ in our behalf died.
And my other concern is that you're filled with claims of the "Jews" said about the Messias, where are your scriptures for these?? How about sharing the actual verse. I say, try not to make a claim what the bible says, or what you heard or read: and then dont reference it - and THEN say,"here's the proof!" about messiah bein "militant", moses said it's okay to rape women (??????) - where is the reference. But I understand your concern; I was right beside you. I was confused then, in the dark. We'll be praying for you
At the end of the day, He bore your sins and by his stripes you are healed :) :) (1 Peter 2:24)
Eugene
Gina:
--- Quote ---Don't get me wrong. I do not doubt the validity of God. I do doubt the validity of the scriptures though.
--- End quote ---
But Denise, You do doubt the existence of God when you doubt the validity of the scriptures.
JESUS IS THE WORD of God. And the WORD was GOD.
See? But you don't believe that. That's okay. That's not a problem for God. God knows, just as Ray said, those people who treated people as badly as they did and do, do it because they are afraid of God.
Re slavery, it was horrible sometimes. But not all slaves were treated horribly. And besides that, Jesus came to set the captive free. Jesus came to take captivity captive.
It doesn't matter that you don't believe God. God will show you the truth.
Someone asked Jesus before his death, What is truth?
My WORD is Truth. All scripture is designed to shake us up (make our earth quake), crush us, because in that condition, with some water (the WORD) we're easily refashioned.
It's only for a little while Denise. Compared to eternity, all this death and destruction is only for a little while. God will wipe away all tears; there will be NO more death, NO more sorrow.
You'll be alright. We're still praying for you.
Great responses Craig, Extol, Eugene (especially), everybody.
gregorydc:
Sorry for the paraphrasing. Scripture states that all scripture is for our using. Instead of seeing how carnal that Israel was ,use this to change you and what is around you. Teach not to be carnal, show love and mercy. Just because it seems Israel wanted to be the dominant race because of God gifts (blessings) to them it just shows how power can corrupt. Use this in your life to be more Christ like that what these books are for. I do know where you are coming from, I was in your shoes quite some time before I was lead to this site. And one more thing about the name Israel it shouldn't matter if it was from an Egyptian cross up of names , have you ever wondered what your name means maybe in another language it may be a cursing word? Ya never can tell. Lol. Don't , whatever you decide, get stuck in religious limbo or what anyone else tells you on this site. Only God can tell you in His own time, and it will come. My love and prayers are for you so that God will guide you gently to the truth.
just a thought from me
Greg
hope this makes since to you
lilitalienboi16:
As someone who has been forced to dive in, head first into everything science, the study of the human body, the world on a microscopic level and very mathetmatical, "logical" and scientific way, I can assure you, there is a God.
It baffles me that any of my fellow friends/students/colleagues could believe there is no God. I've learned that in talking with most, almost all of them believe in some creator or higher being. How could you not? It's absolutely illogical when you are privileged to the intricate beautifies and absolutely stupifying complexities of life, the human body, plants, the universe and it's laws etc.. I also find that most of them who don't believe in any particular God such as Jesus or Allah or what have you, don't because of how religion has portrayed these "Gods."
Even more surprising, most that don't believe at all, which isn't too many, don't believe simply because they cannot separate the idea of God from religion. To them, God IS religion and so because religion is often times stupid, illogical and perpetuates idiotic doctrines that the thinking and rational man see's right through, they are turned off by it and so reject God in rejecting religion.
Religion has made it to easy for the thinking man not to believe in God.
If you can come to the conclusion that I have devised here, if you can follow this train of thought then by very nature of knowing there must be a God, take it to the next level and ask yourself, would this God reach out to the creation He created and try to communicate with them? If you're thinking, "yes," It would make sense for a God to reach out to the ones He's created, then ask yourself, in what way shape or form did He communicate to us?
Maybe the bible would read a lot different, had Jesus Come now, in the 21st century where humanity has advanced in knowledge. Do you think God would have told us, like He did the people of old, that it was His nose that created the universe? Or perhaps He would have told us, that He did it with a big bang. Spinning atomic particles together, faster and faster, collapsing them inward on themselves and creating an explosion of epic proportions that would hurl into existence the universe and all it's wonders. Just maybe.. there are so many "x factors" that your tiny little brain could never account for. That goes for all of us.
Perhaps that is why it was wisely stated; My ways are not your ways and the wisdom of man is FOOLISHNESS in the sight of God. We are ANTS compared to Him yet He has every desire and intention of turning us into spiritual giants like Himself.
I personally believe that with what i know, of the world from a scientific perspective (though it is foolishness unto God, I am not boasting or uplifting this wisdom upward) that there is a God and I believe He did reach out to us. He reached out to us in the form of Jesus Christ, in the form of "I AM" of the old testament.
After you come to the conclusion that it is foolish to say there is no God then you just need to ask yourself, would He reach out to His creation if He is there? If He would then you need to figure out, in which way did He do it then? Was it buddhism? Hinduism? Islam? Judaism? Christianity?
Just some more thoughts for think over.
Hope it helps.
God bless,
Alex
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