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Gina:
Well, (you always know when I start off a sentence with the word "well" something big is about the follow... so pay attention to all the words! ;) ), the way I think of memorizing bible passages is like this:
When some people want to recall a verse in the book of Isaiah for instance, we can now say, Isa. 26:9, and most of us know almost immediately what that verse is (not me, I'm still in the process of remembering it - ha!)
But you see what I'm saying?
John 3:16 -- what's that verse? Maybe you know, but maybe you find it easier to remember it this way :
For God did so [THUS] love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.
That's the way the verse of scripture was originally before King James "authorized" it, right?
When were verse numbers and chapters assigned to the scriptures?
And why were they assigned? If memory serves me, it was for the express purpose of making referencing the scriptures easier...
So what are we going to say about that? Are we now "lazier" and "stupider" all because we rely on numbers associated with verses?
Ray said that when Jesus opened up the scriptures to the disciples' understanding, Jesus taught them PRINCIPLES -- Jesus did not take them through each and every word and verse and chapter.
It's good to remember verses and what the bible says, but ultimately we're here to learn principles:
From: How Hard is Getting Saved:
--- Quote ---How many ever read that verse? How many of you know what it means? I told you how Christ opened up their understanding and they knew what the Old Testament was talking about.
--- End quote ---
( http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3849.msg29183.html#msg29183 )
Ray taught us many principles.
gregorydc:
So Gina what I hear you saying is that what I usually do during the day at work,( listen to the bible on mp3) by hearing the word of God and actually having things "click" when I hear them is as good as memorizing them? I can relate to and feed back pieces and parts of the bible when asked my opinion but only in paraphrases. Off the top of my head. Maybe the "lazier and stupider" may be me too? Idk bad rumors? Lol. But that said thank you that does help me. That does make since to me though the quote from Rays paper you quoted always made me wonder why all the memorization,that and the fact the scribes and pharisees realized that Peter and John where unlearned men, but were able to expound upon the scriptures. These always made me wonder why people wanted to memorize. I know I need to learn more. And to have scripture memorized is a good way to help teach others the truth. Plus I always wondered on memorization why didn't Jesus just speak what he "read" in Isaiah instead of reading it from the scroll? Just curious
Greg
newgene87:
2 Timothy 2:15 (Youngs)
be diligent to present thyself approved to God-- a workman irreproachable, rightly dividing the word of the truth
2 Timothy 2:15 (Darby)
Strive diligently to present thyself approved to God, a workman that has not to be ashamed, cutting in a straight line the word of truth.
Memorizing is good but as Gina said, PRINCIPLES are key. And that's how we "rightly divide the word of truth"
John 14:17
the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.
John 16:13
and when He may come-- the Spirit of truth-- He will guide you to all the truth, for He will not speak from Himself, but as many things as He will hear He will speak, and the coming things He will tell you
The biggest principle is to know the Scriptures are ONE. Christ is the Word of God. Christ is the fulfilments of ALL in Scriptures. And it takes spiritual maturity to see when it speaks of Christ, it speaks of us, "...because as he is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17). So as you read, the spirit of truth is what guides us to truth that's needed. Its all in principles. As you read, pray that the spirit of truth guides you - and it's Christ IN you, that will supply your needs.
Gina:
--- Quote from: gregorydc on September 04, 2012, 08:47:36 PM ---So Gina what I hear you saying is that what I usually do during the day at work,( listen to the bible on mp3) by hearing the word of God and actually having things "click" when I hear them is as good as memorizing them? I can relate to and feed back pieces and parts of the bible when asked my opinion but only in paraphrases. Off the top of my head. Maybe the "lazier and stupider" may be me too? Idk bad rumors? Lol. But that said thank you that does help me. That does make since to me though the quote from Rays paper you quoted always made me wonder why all the memorization,that and the fact the scribes and pharisees realized that Peter and John where unlearned men, but were able to expound upon the scriptures. These always made me wonder why people wanted to memorize. I know I need to learn more[/b]. And to have scripture memorized is a good way to help teach others the truth. Plus I always wondered on memorization why didn't Jesus just speak what he "read" in Isaiah instead of reading it from the scroll? Just curious
Greg
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You're welcome, Greg. I like it when my posts aren't in vain (relief :) ) I'm sorry -- what verse in Isaiah are you referring to? But seriously. I think that He read from the scroll for their benifit -- if you want my take on that. Think of it this way: Jesus IS the word. He didn't have to memorize that scroll. He wrote the scroll. Hmmmm????
I like HOW Ray taught the principles that he taught us. He makes wanting to search the truths out (in trying to find the scriptural backup) fun because there's an absolute there. There's only one truthful answer, so you can know without a doubt whether what you're doing is sin or harmful to you and others, or not.
And if you take nothing else away from anything I've said to you here, PLEASE take this: Matthew 11:30 and !!
And you can take this: Acts 14 (oops, almost said Acts II -- my bad) !!, too.
ha!
Gina:
Oh and here's a qualifier (a "witness") to Matthew 11:30:
1 John 5:3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are NOT BURDENSOME [ !! ]... ,
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