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indianabob:
Perduit,
Point of clarification.
I didn't mean that you weren't willing to check all sides of an issue.
I was referring to folks who still believe that a person goes to heaven or hell, one or the other at death. Isn't that what is taught by many denomination?
I assume that we on the forum are better informed.
Thanks for understanding
Dave in Tenn:
A quote from one of the trailers: "It's rather amazing to me that more people are not saying 'This can't be right.'"
Reminded me of something Dennis said quite a while back that I've never forgotten and was thinking about just today.
Forgive me if I'm getting it wrong, boss...but as I remember it you said "The 'miracle' isn't that so few can see. The miracle is that so many can't."
Pierdut:
--- Quote from: indianabob on July 13, 2013, 12:00:37 AM ---Perduit,
Point of clarification.
I didn't mean that you weren't willing to check all sides of an issue.
I was referring to folks who still believe that a person goes to heaven or hell, one or the other at death. Isn't that what is taught by many denomination?
I assume that we on the forum are better informed.
Thanks for understanding
--- End quote ---
Hi Bob, I guess I misinterpreted your post then... it's one of the drawbacks of text-based communication. Oh well, no harm no foul then.
I've examined so many sides of so many issues - and as Ray said; the more you study a thing, the more you scrutinize it the more obvious it becomes whether it's true or not. And such is te case with the "hell" thing. The more I looked into it and with an opened unbiased mind, the more I realized that it's not true - a Christian hoax to scare the weak- minded people into converting to their man-made religion so that they can then scam you for your tithe money. That's it, that's all it is - that's what keeps Christianity running. And it's also the reason they twist Scripture to fit with their nonsense, because things like Jesus' own words that no man can come to Him unless The Father drags you to Him - at which point you have no choice but to come because God's dragging is stronger than your resistence (who do you suppose will win that tug of war? Mortal man or God?). God is perfectly capable of bringing about the circumstances in your life which will cause you to have no other choice but to get down on your knees and pray. God made you and He can so easily break you. If I Would have had 'free will' then God would not have been able to interfere because that would then violate my Christian-given 'right' of ' free moral agency' and 'free will.' But God did interfere in my life - I believe this wholeheartedly, and if He hadn't I wouldn't be here. Funny Thing is Christians still insist I have a 'free will' even with Devine Intervention. Me thinks they need a Divine Intervention in their lives so that they might begin using their God-given brains.
indianabob:
Perduit,
Thanks again for your kind reply. We on the forum certainly do have an extra concern for clarity since most others have greatly differing backgrounds of culture and education. By education I mean types of education rather than not having sufficient education.
Just one more opinion about those who are at this time blinded by God's will.
Quite a few I am sure are not "weak minded", in fact many are very intelligent and well educated in the ways of this world and even in scripture. Also in my personal experience many of the seminary educated pastors use the "hell" approach to leading or guiding their flock with a clear conscience as if they themselves believed it. Hey it works! The money is rolling in!
Some of my long term friends hold the view that it is necessary to have some type of threat expressed in their teaching in order to encourage people to attend and support the "work of God". One of my very respected friends from a church I attended for a few years told me that they had tried the "God is love" approach and it seldom worked to keep the people interested. Imagine that; teaching that God is love just leads to ambivalence in the minds of most people so that they see no need to fellowship with God according to God's will. He's a good master and will not burn us in fire. That is just for evil people and I'm good in my own sight.
Deceived persons by definition do not know that they are deceived.
Hope this helps to clarify my background a little.
Thanks for your interest. "older than dirt" Indiana Bob
Pierdut:
Hi Bob,
Of course the 'God is love' approach doesn't work because the carnal mind [the natural mind of man] is enmity against God, and is not subject to His laws, and neither indeed is it able to [be subject]. So Christian ministers have to avoid that Scripture and contradict it by preaching that man can indeed, of his own "free will" can at any time, with his carnal mind that hates God choose to love God and come to Christ and repent. Now, this isn't even a matter of faulty translations as is the case the non-scriptural words like "hell" and "eternal" or "forever and ever" etc. So unless they never read their Bibles [at which point they would still be quite weak-minded and gullible for having blind faith in their pastor or whatever] they are quite weak-minded if they can't pick up on contradictions. Weak-minded in that area at least.
So unless God drags you to Christ, you will not be able to come. Why? Because the natural mind of man hates God, hates His laws and it cannot of its own "free will" make God a liar by freely choosing of its own "free will" to start loving God and His laws and subject itself to those laws. It is God which works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure. Do Christians believe that? NO! They most certainly do not. They believe you have "free moral agency" and can just as easily choose to do good as you choose to do evil, or bad, sinful things - like lusting after a beautiful woman - choosing to do good and please God is automatic. I speak as a fool.
So because Christian ministers Despise The Word of God they created this "hell" nonsense in order to scare people with carnal minds into coming to Christ and fake-loving Him in order to escape the unfathomable horror of neverending torture and suffering and pain and misery that awaits them if they don't "FREELY [emphasis mine] come to Christ."
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