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going to heaven/hell when one dies
Gina:
Santgem,
Micah asked over and over specifically for scriptural backing:
--- Quote ---I mean, is there some verse of scripture that says anything close or like that?
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--- Quote ---How can something like that be made a teaching without verse and scripture?
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--- Quote ---, but they must use verses and scripture from the Bible to sway them into believing such comforting.
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And at one point he even said, "there can't be scriptural backing,"
--- Quote ---they have no solid verse or scripture to explain why they believe.
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And then Micah goes on to ask again and again for scriptural backing:
--- Quote ---I can see and understand how they teach about a "hell" of everlasting torment, but where are the verses that say with all "their folksy and colorful descriptions" the proof that those who are "saved" go to heaven when they die? I know that Luke 16 is their mainstay, but where are others?
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--- Quote ---So I was just wondering on what Bible grounds do they verify their heaven journey from the Bible. Is the teaching just formed from an opposite of damnation teaching and needs no sound doctrine?
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There are most certainly not two correct answers diametrically opposed. There is only one correct answer: there is no scriptural backing for the doctrine of hell (or of their "heaven").
I see what you're saying -- it just doesn't make any sense. Just wanted to clear that up. :)
newgene87:
Okay NOW I understand. I do. But all in all - it can be "scriptural" backing to that thought hell if you don't know how to INTERPRET the scriptures. Truly, words like "hades", "Gehenna fire", "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.", "Sheol" are obscure. As ray said, there are theologians are who are fluent in Greek and Hebrew who have NO clue what the gospel. And they use many scriptures to back up the claims - even justifying "Aoinian/eternal" "Gehenna". Truly, as Peter said
2 Peter 3:16
as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable [people] twist to their own destruction, as [they do] also the rest of the SCRIPTURES.
So Scriptures, not just bible verses, can be twisted by all the major theologians and teachers of today's christianity. But once taught the true meaning of words, getting rid of heresies of Religions of egypt and Greek, coming out of the worlds wisdom and thinking of "Free Will" and good vs evil - then we can rightly divide the Word of scripture
Eugene
Dave in Tenn:
I think the question was answered. The rest is just...not sure what it is, but it's 'preaching to the choir', if nothing else. Let's move on.
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