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dave:

--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on September 03, 2012, 06:22:47 PM ---It's true that what is to come also now is.  It's also true that what now is, is what is to come.  "Spiritual" does not mean "imaginary" or even "symbolic".  The "now" judgement is real and changes people.  Future judgement will also be real and will change people.

What things will 'physically' or 'literally' be like after resurrection remains to be seen.  Scripture attests to this.  My mental image (or imagination) continues to change.  It will likely continue to continue to change.  But it is as worthless as anybody else's to accurately describe what will actually be happening.  In order for me to 'describe' what is in my mind, I would have to be a master writer or film-maker.  I am niether.  I'm absolutely certain that the writer and producers of the Left Behind series, whatever their talents might be, have not the slightest clue what they are writing or putting to film.  What I am sure of is that the the Revelation of Jesus Christ (and in all prophetic writing of scripture) are given in signs and symbols.  These signs and symbols in the Revelation of Jesus point to SPIRITUAL realities.  Not PHYSICAL imagination.  Not ""Spiritual"" imagination.  SPIRIT is real.  The Old and the New Covenants are real, AND they are Spiritual. 

The Lake of Fire is not a Lake, nor is it fire.  It is also not a symbolic description of something like a physical lake with something like physical fire.  It's a symbol of a SPIRITUAL reality.  That it takes place (along with all the other symbols of the Revelation) "yet to come" is not in question.  At least not here at B-T (the materials...not necessarily the forum)  HOW it takes place, is.  At least it is to me.

I mention the Lake of Fire as an example (thoroughly covered by Ray) of the other symbols, which may not have been so thoroughly covered.  I'm of the opinion (right or wrong) that it isn't even necessary to 'understand' all the symbols.  These things have happened, are happening, and will happen to the great (in understanding) and the small (in understanding).  Many of them which I UNDERSTAND now, happened to me LONG BEFORE I understood them by the Grace of Sovereign God.

It is the Revelation OF Jesus Christ, not simply a prophecy of things to come.  At least it is recognized as such by the materials on B-T.  I shouldn't have to post the entire LOF series in a forum post.



 

 

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Very well said.

the truth:
Hello,Thanks Dave and Eugene!I realize this as A issue me and the Lord has to settle.I want to think you for your kind replies.As I will continue to search these out for sure.I have many other thoughts and Scripture to account for and just now I seen were this passage of the two witnesses is in the greek....... is in future tense  not present which would totally do away with it being Spritiual........I accept and agree with your statement Eugene with the understanding it works both ways....lol..Hehe.It is what drives me for sure cause like everyone who the Lord is calling and choosen .....He says Why do you call me Lord,Lord and do not what I say.Thats enough for me to ask lots of questions!However I will ask no more here.

John your staement :Also, I didn't understand your last statement where you said John didn't go into Jesus' tomb because he feared he might be defiled because John was a Jew.  Peter was a Jew too and that didn't stop him from entering the tomb.  My guess is John waited out of respect for Peter being the chief apostle.

Your right I was thinking John levite .....Judea......... and Peter... benjamite... but both were from south Judea same rules apply?
Also,I was thinking Order I guess.I know there had to be a reason John did not go in first maybe it was a order that Peter would die first I dont know and dont want to go there here.hehe.Thanks John for your thoughts hope your work day was blessed!

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