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lilitalienboi16

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Re: A question for the older men here
« Reply #40 on: October 02, 2012, 11:36:19 PM »

lol musicman I appreciate your sense of humor and for allowing me to laugh along with you.

I don't think there is any substitute for the power of the Spirit in all this. Perhaps that's the take home message of your routine.

To Dave:

I'm not ignoring you but can you be more specific. What would I tell the young boy? As in if he asked me about masturbation? IF he asked me about women? pornography? Lust? All of the above?



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Re: A question for the older men here
« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2012, 12:51:16 AM »

Take your pick, Alex.  It's your thread.  Whatever it is YOU are asking about will be fine.
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Re: A question for the older men here
« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2012, 01:54:17 AM »

No.

But I'll ask you a question.  What if you had a son (or were asked by a single mother to talk to her son)...what would you say to him from your own experience?

 

Hmm, this is very difficult. What I would tell them, where I'm at now.

I'd tell them that, no matter how hard you try you'll always be overcome by the pulls of the flesh. There is absolutely nothing in you, absolutely zero power in your own self that will give you the ability to over come this.

Rev 13:4-7 "And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."

I'd tell this person that despite being made subject to vanity not willingly but by reason of Him, that God is faithful and He will finish His good works that He has begun in you. That in His time, you will be given power over this beast. So don't discourage now, don't give up. Confess your sins to God and He is faithful. He won't abandon you, even when you've perhaps given up on yourself and think He's given up on you.

Most of all I would tell him, don't lose hope. God is for you and with you even if you might see the monster inside of you now clearer than ever before, God saw this beast all along. He knew the beast was there but before you realized it, you saw God's goodness and His grand love for you so why do you now suddenly doubt this love? Did He not love you and call you and move and work in you when the beast was there before you realized it? So then why do you doubt now that He will continue in you? What, because now you're aware of your condition? How much more now will God continue in you, than before, now that he has brought you this far? Much more! He will carry you all the way through because He is faithful and good and His love endures forever. Because He see's you for who you will be in Him, He see's so much more than the carnal flesh that haunts you now.

Have patience, turn to Him and in time you will see His grace abound in you and your cup will over flow.

That's probably what I'd tell him and that there is none good, there is none perfect but God so do not think you are the only one who struggles with this sin or that you are alone in it all. Far from it and your desire for change is but the beginning of wondrous things to come.

It's probably what i'd tell myself, if I could believe myself.

Edit: I think I just told myself, what I needed to hear..... I'm not sure if that was your intention dave but if it was, you are a man of genius.
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« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2012, 02:24:01 AM »

Brother......this is a a human condition for sure....and not just for men.....as embarrassing as it is selfish.....it is enjoy the benefits of sex with out even having a partner! and suicide would up there with that level of selfishness imo.....however....my opinions on the subject may or may not have much weight....having struggled with this as I am about to turn 44....for most of my life....I believe i was about 10 or s0 when I began to realize the pleasure and release of sexual tension this would give me.....and I too would do it daily......well as a young man....I find today.....once a week....and a few times a month is average......the body has not the same zest for it but my mind is in overdrive all too often......the sorrow I would feel after doing it and or the thoughts I had while doing this or even the pictures and or videos and items I would use while involved.....made me feel I was never gonna overcome and or enjoyed this poison so much that I would never let go.....in fact married men confide in me that there is no answer to it......but having an outlet sure seemed like a good idea to me! Paul said it would be better to marry then to burn with passion......yet no one gets married burning after all do they? lol well not in my church congregation they did not for sure.....I do not have the answer and make things more of a challenge......Christ tells us not even to look at married woman with lust! this makes me a complete failure....cuz that is the part I fall into much more often then masturbation......and now I ask well Lord....what if the woman is not married? Can I do it then?! you see my mind? lol I want to justify my actions.....and make my lack of self control not sinful....fact is anything done apart from faith is sin. That said.....I know of no man that has over come this lust or sin. I know boasted of his single life....and I knew a man who once said for 20+ years he never masturbated....but lets see....Christ said if you even look at the woman with lust you have committed fornication and or adultry.....the church of course agrees and says further that Christ wants us to but off are right hand and gouge out our eye that is the agent used to promote this sin!!!! wow.....this scared the tar out of me to say the least......I do that Christ has paid for our sins.....the past....the present and future included....and this not only keeps my sanity but empowers me to overcome all sins....or things the church or myself or our God himself would see and know is sin......that gives me peace....even if a I fail......this topic is taboo....and few men....as well as fewer women discuss it with any degree of confidence....and I would say it is the most indulged in activity in human existence! I feel bad often after I do it.....and other times I don't feel bad.....I do wish I had a partner to share my sexuality with but that too is up to the Lord....just remember that all sin has been paid for! Let no one deceive you.....some men and women have stronger faith and or less of a struggle with sin....or types of sin.....your strength and or weaknesses are the way the enemy may accuse.....point the finger....and catch you on the law....promises.....vows....and things like "I will never do it again" we are merely setting ourselves up to fail....as my mother used to tell me......"hang a yet on that never statement" she would say you have not done it yet....but there is not boasting....especially not in the flesh....there is not confidence in the flesh.....and all the glory is the Fathers......I pray you find strength to stay at peace....while the storm and flesh of life decays and fails.....your faith is of greater value than gold.....and what pleases our Father.....if we are going to boast....let it be of our weakness!!! WOW Paul was right.....boast of your weakness so the power of Christ can rest upon you....this is how I overcome and not beat myself up with sin.....and in particular masturbation.....the sin that church says is evil.....we are after all sexual beings......find a mate......and be sexual....that is my answer and my long words in 2 cents LOL
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Dear friend,

Your paragraphs are difficult to read with all the [....]

I say this with the grandest of affection, but please try and use the "enter" key in the future. >.> I hope that didn't come off to harsh, it was not my intention! Please don't take it that way!

That being said, thank you for sharing your testimony with me! I know it's very personal and well, I suppose, I would rather people see me for what I am and know that they don't have any false idea's about me than them thinking I'm someone I am not. I guess that's what gives me the ability to be rather bold on such a taboo topic. That and i'm in my 20's so I think most people know what a 20 year old is going through whether he admits or not so I might as well just admit it. xD

I suppose there is some comfort in knowing that as we age, our hormones are as active and so our desires dwindle but I was really hoping not to have to wait another 20-30 years before this lust, this sin, begins to fade in me. If that is how the Lord has it planned than I guess there isn't much I can do or say about it but that doesn't mean the desire for it to be gone will ever fade either.

I believe though that God can in time, if He wants, reign in this beast before I endure many long years and I do believe that this desire to want to stop sinning this way is the first step in the right direction. Some people don't think shame or feeling bad about what we have done is a positive thing or that it is how God want's us to feel when we desire strongly to be done with a sin yet we continue doing it but I think it is. I believe, like ray put it, that you get to a point where thinking about it makes you literally sick to your stomach and makes you want to throw up. I don't think that's a negative at all, that just shows how strong your desire to not want to commit this sin really is but if you keep thinking it's okay and that "God has forgiven me" and ill just keep on sinning along, no biggie, it's not like I can overcome on it so why bother, than you'll never overcome the sin because you're telling yourself its okay and it's not! It's not okay and we shouldn't be teaching ourselves that is! Even if God hasn't given us the power to overcome it!  But again, we can't overcome it so what then, should we throw in the towel? Pff,  you go ahead, ill keep going this way!

Btw, this isn't necessarily directed towards you, I'm just kind of ranting out loud with my thoughts.. Hope you don't mind! :)

Well again, thank you for engaging me in this discussion and sharing your personal story. I do appreciate it. Hopefully we can find solace and comfort and encouragement from one another to continue enduring forward and perhaps one day soon, the Lord will throw out this beast from His temple! ;)

God bless,

Alex
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Re: A question for the older men here
« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2012, 09:50:15 AM »

Can't have it both ways, can we. Either we believe God's Word (taught by Ray) that there is no such thing as free will or uncaused choice, or we deep down believe we have the power to make ourselves pure and holy.

Even God's instruction through Paul to have the mind of Christ continues that we must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling it is God who works in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure.

And it is only God Who will bring us to the point when we hate the sin.
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« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2012, 04:32:44 PM »

One thing that is beginning to bug me are the statements that as we get older God takes away our lusts as we get old and decrepit.  And that is supposed to be a good thing.

Count me out!  I don't think God made a mistake.  He made men to desire women.  I love women.  I find them endlessly fascinating and desirable.

I have had to learn over the years not to let my tongue hang out and drool all over myself when I see and meet women.  I have found women don't find that attractive.

If I ever wake up and no longer have a desire for women, if I can only admire their eyes or character, then please God, be merciful to me, and have someone put two bullets in my head.  God, in my opinion, women were the best thing you made.  Thanks.

Do you drool over 5 ft, 320 lb. women? Do you find them fascinating? If not then that is lust and not admiration.

Too many men worship women (not consciously). And that is not a good thing.

But there is something going on with the relationship between men and women. Some sort of lesson we will take with us in the next life.  Which are a shadow of things to come... Col 2:17

"Hither! I shall be showing you the bride, the wife of the Lambkin." Rev 21:9

Ray once told me he suspects there will be something like the lust we feel for women in the next life, but much more intense and not evil.

But for now we need to at least try to control ourselves. When we fail, try again.

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Re: A question for the older men here
« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2012, 05:43:16 PM »

Just try not to wallow in it John.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr2ZERIFL4U


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« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2012, 08:12:23 PM »

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« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2012, 10:50:25 PM »

Y'all are a hoot! lilitalienboi16 thank you for your input brother......I do the .....on purpose.....its my style.....ha ha ha and yes I realize it is like talking to someone speaking another language and or does not use the English words and sentence structure as well as periods commas and run ons.......but you did benefit from it.....at least I think..... :) I used to use capital letters for every word and do you remember cursive writting? LOL that went over big huh? no one writes.....unless we give our signature.....I read and heard that first 5 books of the Bible the Talmud was all one word! no spaces.....no structure for writing....talk about not obeying the rules of the language! ha ha ha ha ha....it was assumed where the spaces were to be....and stream of thought......do they end with periods? commas do they separate ideas? and paragraphs? verses in the bible? LOL nonsense.....no such thing as chapter and verse when they were written.....I do apologize for my street or as I like to call it grocery store grasp of words and language.....sometimes I go back and read my words and wonder what in the name of all get out am I trying to say? LOL I am a fool....and but a fool for Christ.....if you benefit any....amen....most times I think my words are me preaching to myself and very rarely from the foolishness of preaching will someone be reached.....but it is his will......this topic has much debate even among believers and those who could care less about spiritual life......as in all things in life....moderation and the filter of balance the tree of good and evil.......LOL maybe you don't follow this line of thinking....after all I am bother that the tree was not two trees......good and evil in the same stinking tree? why? LOL thy will be done......(I know the answer now but its like talking another language to explain it or show it in words to others)
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« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2012, 09:28:23 PM »

Hi Alex,

It's a struggle that Men everywhere and probably some Women have experienced throughout their lives, God created Testosterone and it depends on the individual person as to how much is secreted. Unless God has planned to remove this desire and when is unknown to Humans. Since none of Us don't have Free Will or Free Moral Agency, We won't & can't overcome this practice through Our own Will & power. I liken this desire to masturbate as a type of addiction that gives immediate physical & sensual gratification that sort of gives a temporary "high," because it feels good. Also, under stress or boredom, it's probably easier to succumb to.

There are some Scriptures that seem to imply that it should be avoided, but these Scriptures are not explicitly clear as to Masturbation. Read Below !

Col 3:5  Mortify(Deaden) therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Mortify means: G3499
νεκρόω
nekroō
nek-ro'-o
From G3498; to deaden, that is, (figuratively) to subdue: - be dead, mortify.

Uncleanness means: akatharsia
ak-ath-ar-see'-ah
From G169; impurity (the quality), physically or morally: - uncleanness.

1Th 4:3  For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
1Th 4:4  That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
1Th 4:5  Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:

Concupiscence means: epithumia
ep-ee-thoo-mee'-ah
From G1937; a longing (especially for what is forbidden): - concupiscence, desire, lust (after).

Vessel means: skeuos
skyoo'-os
Of uncertain affinity; a vessel, implement, equipment or apparatus (literally or figuratively [specifically a wife as contributing to the usefulness of the husband]): - goods, sail, stuff, vessel.

Of course it could be argued that the above Scriptures don't specifically apply to Self Abuse or Masturbation, but they might indirectly apply. Also, I've had weakness in this area and let Me assure that if this desire is strong, Marriage doesn't necessarily solve the problem. Only the hating of this desire and it's removal from Our Carnal Mind under God's control will eliminate this practice. The fact that this practice bothers your conscience is a plus or positive note.

Below, I included an Email from a Friend who visits the Forum as a Guest that might aid in encouraging you, hope it helps. This individual is sincere in their message. Read below in blue !


Hi Alex,


God impressed it on me to offer you some encouragement along with those that have already answered. Here are some verses to consider when it comes to sin.


Jeremiah 17:5-6 (NLT)


(5) This is what the LORD says: “Cursed are those who put their trust in mere humans, who rely on human strength and turn their hearts away from the LORD.

(6) They are like stunted shrubs in the desert, with no hope for the future. They will live in the barren wilderness, in an uninhabited salty land.


Philippians 3:3 (NLT)


(3)...We rely on what Christ Jesus has done for us. We put no confidence in human effort,


John 15:5 (NLT)


"Yes, I am the vine; you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit. For without me you can do nothing.

 To be completely honest, you will not find the strength to overcome this in yourself. You can do nothing as Christ Himself said. The self can do nothing righteous, nothing good, and nothing pleasing to God. Even Ray once said, you will not stop sinning until God has determined that you will. Is that a license to rejoice in sin? No, of course not. However, it is an honest and humble acknowledgment of what you (and the rest of us) really are – dust. What strength does dust have? None.


Paul wrote in Romans 6:23 (NLT):


(23) For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.


Notice that salvation is a gift that we are given – meaning that we do nothing to earn it. If we had earned it, then it would be a payment, not a gift. This is a further witness.


Scripture says that man's righteousness is a pile of filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6, NLT):


(6) We are all infected and impure with sin. When we display our righteous deeds, they are nothing but filthy rags. Like autumn leaves, we wither and fall, and our sins sweep us away like the wind.

 If we are honest, a pile of filthy rags would be an improvement because that is when we are at our human best. How often are we truly even acting at that level?


Notice what the Lord said next through Jeremiah 17:7-8 (NLT):


(7) But blessed are those who trust in the LORD and have made the LORD their hope and confidence.

(8) They are like trees planted along a riverbank, with roots that reach deep into the water. Such trees are not bothered by the heat or worried by long months of drought. Their leaves stay green, and they never stop producing fruit.


The passage where Christ walks on the water comes to mind. Peter was able to walk on the water as long as he remained focused on Christ. It was when he started looking/focusing on the storm and the waves (the troubles in life) that he began to sink.


Here's another passage to consider – Romans 8:20-23 (NLT)


(20) Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse. But with eager hope,

(21) the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God’s children in glorious freedom from death and decay.

(22) For we know that all creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.

(23) And we believers also groan, even though we have the Holy Spirit within us as a foretaste of future glory, for we long for our bodies to be released from sin and suffering. We, too, wait with eager hope for the day when God will give us our full rights as his adopted children, including the new bodies he has promised us.

 The Apostle John summed it up quite nicely when he was inspired to state:


1 John 1:8 (NLT)


(8) If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth.


Paul provided the second witness to this in Romans 7:14-25 (NLT):


(14) So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good. The trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin.

(15) I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate.

(16) But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good.

(17) So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.

(18) And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. I want to do what is right, but I can’t.

(19) I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway.

(20) But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.

(21) I have discovered this principle of life—that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong.

(22) I love God’s law with all my heart.

(23) But there is another power within me that is at war with my mind. This power makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me.

(24) Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death?

 (25) Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God’s law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin.


Remember the Lord's promise, given through Isaiah 1:18 (NLT):


(18) "Come now, let's settle this," says the LORD. "Though your sins are like scarlet, I will make them as white as snow. Though they are red like crimson, I will make them as white as wool.


As well as Psalm 103:13-14 (NLT):


(13) The LORD is like a father to his children, tender and compassionate to those who fear him.

(14) For he knows how weak we are; he remembers we are only dust.


Hopefully these verses encourage and uplift you. May God wrap you in His loving and faithful arms.


In Him,

John


Hope this helped, Samson.

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« Reply #50 on: October 08, 2012, 12:34:36 AM »

it helped me samson (and john).  thank you for posting these scriptures.

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« Reply #51 on: October 08, 2012, 08:26:56 AM »

Yes, thanks for these wonderful Scriptures Sampson, it helped me a lot too. I tend to reply to provocation and disrespect  in a most irritable and angry way. I've been struggling with this for a while now, but God is merciful and I am changing..... at His pace 8) but changing I am!!!
God Bless
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« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2012, 02:13:43 PM »

well I am going to step in here with another point because i guess i think differently.  First off sex is a great thing in marriage.  Now if its between sex and masturbation well hands down sex  but ... why is masturbation a sin?  where does it talk about it in the Bible?  your married you enjoy your spouse, right so you masturbate? problem?  your single  you don't have a partner you masturbate  so?  you don't go out and get some.  sounds better to me.    Why do we put such damnable laws on natural things of life.  Isn't masturbation helpful not to get into a situation with another person before marriage? It just seems wrong to me to restrict yourself to such a degree as this.  but I am not talking about  porn that is just sexual abuse as is prostitution.   addiction to anything is the real problem not masturbation.  addiction is another problem
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« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2012, 03:58:42 PM »

Personally for me....what was going on inside my mind while I masturbated.....or the ways I did it....and or toys used....or pictures....and videos were a deeper problem of the heart. Which of the commandments can no one be convicted of? Think about this for a bit. The 10th commandment: You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's. This is to say......who can know what you are thinking about? It is in the heart....the mind of a human that we do not convict crimes, or do we? Pre meditated murder is a higher offense than cold blooded murder-in the heat of the moment. Because you took time to plan it out. Just my 2 cents. While Masturbation is not strictly a law. There is thought and action behind it. Most say.....I am not hurting anyone else or involving anyone else, so why is it wrong? The thoughts that are in my head are worthy of conviction. I have such twisted fantasies that inspire me to get an erection and or act out on them to the point of ejaculation. I am not proud of them. I think I have never reached orgasm with no thoughts or other inspired actions, as said before. Pictures, videos, toys, thoughts, or other stimulation. Sex if consensual does not break any laws provided the circumstances. In one country you must be 21 and Married, others 13 is lawful. In the middle east in certain areas one can be as young 3 to be be throed and can be 9 when sexual relations are permitted. Most of us will say these are sick. Jesus expressly said that you could not have sex with a married woman. What about a Woman lusting for a man? or a a married man? those subjects were not covered either. The fact is a man could have many wives....and any woman he slept with, was considered his wife.....as per the covenant with God. When a woman is a virgin she bleeds upon her first time, thus covering her and the man with blood. Think this is more of what our Father ensued for marriage than just legal papers and a ceremony. Yet if a woman was married, you could not take her as your wife, and Christ said do not even lust and or look at her that way! This agrees with the 10th Commandment thy shall not covet. How do you know what is a person's thoughts if they do not act them out of confess them? What gives me peace above all this is the fact that we are being made into his image. A Spiritual man and the brother and sister of Christ! We would not know what evil was without good. My words are many here. Still I can not say with any clarity that Masturbation is a sin. But anything not done in faith is sin. So it is possible. And with the wrong thoughts and or circumstances too. The enemy and mankind are able to corrupt wholesome things that are created by the pure Father. Of the 600+ rules and regulations in the book of Leviticus, yes there are more than 10 commandments! LOL I am sure we can find a way to convict any human if we dig into ones closet and search for skeletons and sin! just more of my 2 cents.
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« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2012, 04:35:57 PM »

Read St. Augustine books and you will know how these philosophy was develop in the Christian Church.  Christian power play
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« Reply #55 on: November 08, 2012, 02:42:31 PM »

The fact that you admit to fornicating on a open forum is possibly the start of your deliverance - the loathing comes to all of us whatever the lust -

and this is from God

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« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2012, 01:49:35 AM »

The fact that you admit to fornicating on a open forum is possibly the start of your deliverance - the loathing comes to all of us whatever the lust -

and this is from God

Ian

Thank you Ian,

I agree that seeing the beast for who and what he is comes from God. I admitted long ago to this sin but I am still plagued by it to this day. Perhaps I shall suffer like the vast majority of men well into my old age before this beast is relinquished.

Samson,

I know I thanked you over facebook for your post and your friends but I Just wanted to formally say it here again. A beautiful post indeed.

Love,

Alex
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Re: A question for the older men here
« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2012, 07:17:31 AM »

Alex ,Brother  Now is the time ,now is the day.. I don't want to rehash some of the advice Lets wait and see etc is not what the word tells us.... this is a major hindrance this is lust of the flesh which by biblical definition is carnal and is not subject to the spirit nor can it be, it is hostile to God, so I would re evaluate and quickly get into line

Rom 8:13  For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. emphasis mine

Rom 8:14  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God  - 

Let me quickly say I have had tremendous financial trials of late and I found a word  - seek 1st his kingdom and his righteousness and all these things,house car etc will be added, I thought this is a joke initially anyway, i started earnestly seeking, all is of God he causes me to understand his word so I start seeking [seeking is not finding btw] Financially nothing is happening but I do detect a changing Ian and I believe as the foundation of this Temple is strengthened by doing things Gods way this foundation will be able to hold up much of the new rooms which God will add but if the foundation is weak the extensions are not possible as the inspector will not allow further building until the elementry sins are dealt with.

Listen this may sound crude but " can you imagine our God involved in fornication"....that alone, that statement will shake that sin upsidedown my friend .... and so it is with all carnality thinking - Imagine ...

He is building his temple in you, I agree God does not need assistance especially carnal based assistance but he also does not bring to the point of delivery and not give birth, obey his instruction, you can, it is written obedience is better than sacrifice so we must be well placed to obey otherwise our conscience must be seared -

I heard Ray once speaking on stealing he simply said DONT DO IT ...

Ian


 
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Re: A question for the older men here
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2012, 07:00:19 PM »

Alex ,Brother  Now is the time ,now is the day.. I don't want to rehash some of the advice Lets wait and see etc is not what the word tells us.... this is a major hindrance this is lust of the flesh which by biblical definition is carnal and is not subject to the spirit nor can it be, it is hostile to God, so I would re evaluate and quickly get into line

Rom 8:13  For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. emphasis mine

Rom 8:14  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God  - 

Let me quickly say I have had tremendous financial trials of late and I found a word  - seek 1st his kingdom and his righteousness and all these things,house car etc will be added, I thought this is a joke initially anyway, i started earnestly seeking, all is of God he causes me to understand his word so I start seeking [seeking is not finding btw] Financially nothing is happening but I do detect a changing Ian and I believe as the foundation of this Temple is strengthened by doing things Gods way this foundation will be able to hold up much of the new rooms which God will add but if the foundation is weak the extensions are not possible as the inspector will not allow further building until the elementry sins are dealt with.

Listen this may sound crude but " can you imagine our God involved in fornication"....that alone, that statement will shake that sin upsidedown my friend .... and so it is with all carnality thinking - Imagine ...

He is building his temple in you, I agree God does not need assistance especially carnal based assistance but he also does not bring to the point of delivery and not give birth, obey his instruction, you can, it is written obedience is better than sacrifice so we must be well placed to obey otherwise our conscience must be seared -

I heard Ray once speaking on stealing he simply said DONT DO IT ...

Ian

Dear Ian,

I agree that we mustn't be lazy, but we must also understand that it takes spiritual strength to overcome such an adversary as the beast, a strength not found within men.

Revelation 13:7 "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."

This saint makes war but he is overcome each and every time. There is no good in me and no power in me that has proven itself to be sufficient against such an adversary.

Weakness is all that abounds here but it is in weakness that the Lord shines forth with all power and majesty.

Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.


I pray every single day the Lord deliver me from bondage, from the vanity I have been subject to. I struggle everyday to seek the kingdom with my whole heart but alas I am carnal and sold under sin.

In the Lord's time, if it be His plan for me in this life to overcome this sin than I shall but I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that if I am ever given refuge from this beast that plagues me that it shall have been by His power and His spirit and none of my own. For what have you, that you did not recieve? Nothing Lord... nothing. I am as all men, most wretched, desperate, naked before thee as all men. Cloth me with thy garments Lord, for mine are nothing but filthy rags.

 I could care less for a house, a car, or anything of wordly value including riches and fame. The most I want out of my career is a place where the love of the Lord and His light may shine unto all men, that I may grow in Him, ever increasing in Him and that I may provide for a wife and family some day making enough money that if my wife would rather not work that she feel not pressured into work due to financial struggles. Oh and maybe just enough to take a vacation every now and then but other than that, It is all vanity to me.

Sorry to hear though about your financial struggles.

Indeed, obedience is key but it too, as all good things comes from the Father above.

God bless,

Alex

P.S.I wouldn't consider sexual urges, masturbation and adultry in your heart (as Jesus would have labeled it) an "elementary sin" though I suppose I don't know what I would consider as elementary. Regardless, this is perhaps one of the greatest sins in a man's life (and probably many women) to overcome so I don't really like the term "elementary." Is that even biblical? Is one sin worse than the other? That's probably for another topic.
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Re: A question for the older men here
« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2012, 08:18:05 PM »

Alex - a question and i may have missed this as i haven't read this whole thread.  Do you want to stay celibate for the rest of your life?  Do you believe that is your calling?
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