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[Samson]

Hello Forum,

Back in February I posted information about injuring my Quadriceps Tendon and possibly on e of my knee ligaments. After trying some of the Home Help remedies that helped some, now I'm forced to explore the Orthodox way. I don't especially like using Orthodoxy, but when it comes to fixing & mending Bones, Tendons, Ligaments and the like, they are fairly successful. Hippocrates the ancient Greek Physician was actually a Chiropractor in the modern sense. The Medical Profession in the area of disease related issues have much left to be desired, but fixing & mending broken parts, they have much success.

I've prayed about this issue recently, especially asking God to remove fear from my Heart and give Me courage. Fear is debilitating and causes many other problems, so, I don't like having it. Having no Medical coverage doesn't help, if I had medical coverage back in February, it would have been a no brainer caused choice of getting immediate help, but I tried to "wing it" and for the past three weeks my leg is getting worse in that areas of my leg that weren't bothering me, are now doing so.

Wondering what would happen if my Car broke down somewhere with this bad leg and how could I walk anywhere to get help if my cell phone had no signal or having to push the car off the road, etc. Well, it happened Friday night at Midnight on the way home from work. Got a hold of Triple A, My wife and was able to push the Car to the left into a field off the road without jumping back into the car, too dangerous with my leg. Got it to roll to the left from the stop sign I broke down next to and when it was off the road, was able to turn the steering wheel to the right, so it would stop, all without risking jumping into the car while it rolled. Was afraid my leg couldn't handle the momentum of the roll while jumping back in, something Us Guys have tried in the past, one time or another.

After that experience, coupled with my leg getting worse, I came to the conclusion that, all of this is ridiculous, IE- attempting to continue working at my semi sedentary Job and performing other "get by" minimal tasks. Figured, I better get help, before I'm completely crippled at 55 years old.

Today, I went to the Doctor and She seemed alittle on the aggressive side(no health insurance), but they got their money, but after the examination, She agreed with my amateur assessment that it was probably some degree of tear of the Quadriceps's Tendon and that my Kneecap, Cartilage and lower leg was probably uninsured, but was being indirectly affected by having to compensate for my injury. My good leg is being affected too. Of course She ordered an MRI in order to verify her Theory and that's scheduled Tomorrow for $500.00 which is the least expensive in the area for those people labeled as "Self Pay." Apparently, a self pay individual can pick and choose where they prefer to go and how they go about things in this monotony of medical steps. My Dad says, " You have to play the game," Well, no ****. Of course, I didn't tell Him that,  .

Anyway, anyone have any advice for those without Medical Coverage, feel free to let it fly, I'm open to any suggestions. No need to mention God's total Sovereignty part, He already has an open invitation, solicited and Unsolicited, Solicited from Me and Unsolicited because He's in total control. declaring the beginning and ending of EVERY matter.

Well, time will tell, how this plays out, everyone on this Forum could write a Best Selling Autobiography of their Lives, We'd all be rich, it defies my imagination,  ,  , somebody's got a sense of Humor besides sarcasm and it ain't Me.

[gregorydc]

Hey Samson
with the help of God I just remembered a name of a "christian" medical "insurance" it is called medishare it is supposed to work like everyone chips in each month and then they just pay your bills when they come due. I don't know how it really works, I keep hearing it advertised on afr.  It may well be what the doctor ordered, you may want to check it out first. I pray this helps you in your time of need. Tell me if it helps or not.
Greg

[Samson]

Hey Samson
with the help of God I just remembered a name of a "christian" medical "insurance" it is called medishare it is supposed to work like everyone chips in each month and then they just pay your bills when they come due. I don't know how it really works, I keep hearing it advertised on afr.  It may well be what the doctor ordered, you may want to check it out first. I pray this helps you in your time of need. Tell me if it helps or not.
Greg

Thanks for the advice, just checked it out, it looks promising, except that only non-smokes may apply, I know, shouldn't smoke, was trying to quit, now I'm more nervous than usual.

Thanks, Samson.

[gregorydc]

Hey I just quit smoking myself about 6 or 8 mos ago for the second time!  # 2 is by far the hardest time to quit, but a little advice that seemed to work for me. Go get an almanac and use the "best days to quit bad habits(smoking)" it works. God said he put the moon and stars for signs and times … well I guess it was my time lol. It helped me a bunch + I quit cold turkey, only way to go I way to go I was always told. I quit after 20 years you can do it brother and God will help.
Greg

[Samson]

Hey I just quit smoking myself about 6 or 8 mos ago for the second time!  # 2 is by far the hardest time to quit, but a little advice that seemed to work for me. Go get an almanac and use the "best days to quit bad habits(smoking)" it works. God said he put the moon and stars for signs and times … well I guess it was my time lol. It helped me a bunch + I quit cold turkey, only way to go I way to go I was always told. I quit after 20 years you can do it brother and God will help.
Greg

Hey Greg,

A Logical "lets fix it" Male like Me. Have you had problems with Women too, Well, at least in the past, only kidding with you,  , .

Actually, I quit smoking twice before, for seven years each time. I seemed to go in seven year cycles, at least historically. 1) Began smoking at 18 in 1975, quit at 25 in 1982; 2) started smoking again in 1989, quit in 1996; 3) started smoking again in late 2003 and still doing it as of 2012, that's nine years later.

Also, checked on-line as to what are "Natural" methods to quit smoking and there were two choices: 1) Cold Turkey or 2) Reduction method, ie- As an example, smoking 20 cigarettes for three days and reducing to 18 and after a few days, another similar reduction. They suggest Cold Turkey for those that recently started smoking and the reduction metod for those that have smoked a long time like Me.

However, I'll check it out, what have I got to lose. Apparently, I'm not a "Christian" if I smoke according to that Christian Medical Coverage Site. Since I'm Lost and reprobate, maybe they can save & redeem Me with their Free Will efforts,  .

Thanks, Samson.

[acomplishedartis]

Well, time will tell, how this plays out, everyone on this Forum could write a Best Selling Autobiography of their Lives,

Ha, I think that's true. God is the best life writer. Life was usually bored and monoty, confused and often sad, until God started showing in us the script, and until we start living to overcome the world and our carnal nature, then things started to get interesting,  more challenging, with more confidence, and with time the end starts getting clearer.

But not interested on writing any okay-selling Autobiography, because there is no time for it, I haven't good enough grammar, I would not feel good on selling something too personal and it would be a great risk for my ego. Too much competence, lack of motivation to simply entertain people, etc, etc...

Samson, I wish you the best on this trial, if it helps of something, probably the more I can do for you is ask God to give you courage.

I don't know if this could help, but now days transportation is not that expensive, have you consider to get the treatment in another country? Of course you would have to find a good doctor first... A lot of people travel for medical issues.

[ez2u]

Sam  thank you for your advice on the other post and i can clearly see why you said what you did.  This knee injury is quite a problem i will kept you in my prayers I know the Lord will help us He always does but His ways are not are ways and I try not to make it harder on myself in spite of my flesh delusions

[Samson]

Update Status on right leg,

Had Doctor's appointment on Monday and She ordered an MRI(Magnetic Resonance Imaging) Test for Tuesday, She called Me back Today about an hour ago with the results. She was surprised I can even walk after reviewing the results of the Radiologist. Below is a list of what's wrong with my right leg/knee.

1) significant partial tear of the Anterior Cruciate Ligament, tear related to the thickness of it.

2) The Meniscus Pad, Tear of Medial Meniscus, inside part.

3) Arthritis, early stages located on the Tibia Bone(lower leg)

4) Softening of the Cartilage of Kneecap(Patella).

Essentially, what that all means is that I'll be out of commission for awhile. Pray for God to give Me courage and remove fear from my Mind and to not worry about what might happen.

Thanks, Samson.

[Marky Mark]

I lied to them about a number of things.

Message me if you want and I'll tell you more specifics.

I was eligible for it because I stuck my story of those 3 things I listed in the previous post.

I know how, but I don't know when bt-forums became such a hotbed of so much carnal influence in recent and past months.When I joined these forums it was a place of spiritual sanctuary and retreat with others of the same like mindedness,that being,in Spirit and Truth.

However, now it seems of late that the direction of this ship is way off course. When one is given advice on how to lie in order to get what one thinks he deserves,well, its time to move on. My hope is that all of the people who participate in these forums can come to a place in their lives where our Lord and Savior,Jesus the Christ has total rule and authority over ones heart and mind. Its not easy to conform and overcome[Lord knows,I am a work in progress], but with Christ in you ,all things are possible.

I would like to thank those [you know who you are] who have helped me along the way in this spiritual journey...for that... I am ever so grateful.

Peace to you all and God Bless.   


Marky Mark

[Craig]

Ladies and Gents I need to comment on Marky's post.  I also ask him to reconsider quitting, but if you still want to then send me a pm and I will remove your account. Good members with heavy anchors are a plus to the forum.

However, now it seems of late that the direction of this ship is way off course. When one is given advice on how to lie in order to get what one thinks he deserves,well, its time to move on

I want everyone to know the moderators all have jobs and families and other commitments other than this forum.  It is very likely and probable none of us saw the post that Marky commented on. I know I glanced at the thread Samson started yesterday and did not see the latest posts on the subject until now. If a moderator had saw it would have been removed.  If anyone see's a post that you feel should be looked at by a moderator then please PM one/all of us to review it. Also, all of us are carnal and at different places in our journey, would it be better to help others where they fail than to just quit?

I know how, but I don't know when bt-forums became such a hotbed of so much carnal influence in recent and past months.

I would also like for members to PM any concerns such as this.  I'm not aware that we have became "such a hotbed of carnal influence" but if someone sees that then please bring it to our attention.  The members of this forum are far, far, far away from being perfect and carnality influences all of us but I like to think the way the forum is moderated makes that less so than other forums on the internet.  Lack of patience and long suffering toward others here is also a carnal influence. The biggest thing I have learned and suffered in all my years of moderating the forum it is to have patience and understanding for  the members and I still have a long, long way to go.

Craig

[arion]

However, now it seems of late that the direction of this ship is way off course. When one is given advice on how to lie in order to get what one thinks he deserves,well, its time to move on.

I think your way off base here Marky and it smacks a little of spiritual elitism.  The leadership of BT has not changed [except for the passing of Ray of course] and their world view has not changed.  You have all kinds of people coming here as members.  Some are just beginning to wake up to some of the deeper truths of God and they need the more seasoned members to respectfully challenge them when they show that they are thinking with their carnal mind.  Are any of us past that stage when we never slip up?  I think not.  Tis true that people are not supposed to join the forum until they find themselves in agreement with the teachings and want to discuss what they are learning.  I read the forum as a guest for a few years before I ever thought of joining as I didn't feel that I had anything worth sharing.  But there are folks that read for awhile and join the group and still are not grounded.  I would agree with you that if the mods and majority of the members are going astray it might be time to leave.  I don't think that is the case.....do you?

Doug

[Samson]

Ladies and Gents I need to comment on Marky's post.  I also ask him to reconsider quitting, but if you still want to then send me a pm and I will remove your account. Good members with heavy anchors are a plus to the forum.

However, now it seems of late that the direction of this ship is way off course. When one is given advice on how to lie in order to get what one thinks he deserves,well, its time to move on

I want everyone to know the moderators all have jobs and families and other commitments other than this forum.  It is very likely and probable none of us saw the post that Marky commented on. I know I glanced at the thread Samson started yesterday and did not see the latest posts on the subject until now. If a moderator had saw it would have been removed.  If anyone see's a post that you feel should be looked at by a moderator then please PM one/all of us to review it. Also, all of us are carnal and at different places in our journey, would it be better to help others where they fail than to just quit?

I know how, but I don't know when bt-forums became such a hotbed of so much carnal influence in recent and past months.

I would also like for members to PM any concerns such as this.  I'm not aware that we have became "such a hotbed of carnal influence" but if someone sees that then please bring it to our attention.  The members of this forum are far, far, far away from being perfect and carnality influences all of us but I like to think the way the forum is moderated makes that less so than other forums on the internet.  Lack of patience and long suffering toward others here is also a carnal influence. The biggest thing I have learned and suffered in all my years of moderating the forum it is to have patience and understanding for  the members and I still have a long, long way to go.

Craig

Craig,

I don't think Foxx was promoting dishonesty and insisting it was or is okay to deceive the Medical Establishment. However, Mark is technically and spiritually right that none of us should use dishonesty or deception because Life is unjust & unfair.

Interestingly, in regards to My injury that initially occurred on Feb. 4, 2012, I have and still am trying to follow through with this " Experience of Evil," " the right way." The irony in all of this, I'm not sure exactly what the "right way is," ie- trying to get help from the medical establishment. Already, I've been labeled as a "self pay" person because I don't have Health Coverage and been turned away. So, instead of attempting to get help for the entire 100 yards, ie- Money required for all aspects of Surgery and the related expenses that might be required, I decided to pay for the affordable preliminary things that will enable Me to have a plan by a Orthopedic Specialist as to what needs to be done and the various options I can choose. In other words, I've been paying for everything so far: 1) initial Dr. visit with MD; 2) MRI, paid in full by Me and Tomorrow, number 3, the Orthopedic Specialist.

This way, He(The Specialist) will fill out my NJ Temporary Disability Papers, write a more specific type of documentation for how long I won't be able to work and what my specific options could be to have my Leg repaired, probably surgically, but maybe non-surgically.

I have found or learned when you call different Agencies or Doctors and immediately say you don't have medical insurance without clarifying yourself, that you are able to pay some things, at least at the preliminary level, a red flag goes up. So, I called this Orthopedic group this afternoon and told the receptionist or secretary not to succumb to a red flag and easily dismiss Me, but to hear Me out and the response was pleasant & helpful. It seems that these medical people will immediately stereotype most people when they hear the phrase: " No medical coverage," because so many aren't paying their medical bills, because they don't have medical coverage & are unable to and it's a chronic problem. It's like one group of Demons battling another group of Demons, because both groups are vicious and angry at each other.

Interestingly enough, I could have chosen to be taken by an Ambulance the night this happened and they would have fully treated Me, but instead I choose to wait and see if it would get better using Home & alternative methods, because I didn't want to get in financial debt, owing money, being unable to pay my rent, electric bill, child support and everything else. I have enough Money in the Bank to pay these things for some time. As a matter of fact, I called my Landlord that I want to pay the rent for the next 6 months in advance. The reason for this is because I was always told that you have to pay your rent first, before everything else. My Dad has offered to financially assist Me, but I don't want to squander His money and take too much advantage of an 89 year old Man. I don't know if it's considered dishonest to pay bills in other areas, necessary bills, not recreational, instead of having too much money on hand that would get fully absorbed by the cost of a surgery.

My Hyundai Tiburon that broke down on Friday night on my way home from work, I mentioned this in my initial post, needs repair, probably not major, but I want that paid for before the Medical profession would tap into my resources. The bottom line is that I need to prioritize my finances. So far, I've received much rejection towards getting assistance, so that's why I changed my approach. If I was in jail, I'd get medical care and my leg fixed, if I was an illegal Alien, I'd get my leg fixed, etc. Also, if I was already on permanent Disability, I'd get my leg fixed. The Medical world doesn't know about my Dad maybe helping and I ain't telling them. So far, they've proved to Me, they just want "The Money." Tomorrow, they will get their $200.00 for their Orthopedic visit, so they don't have a problem, yet. I'm not blaming them, it's a vicious cycle with the medical travesty in this Country. Greedy Doctors plus people taking advantage of their insurance. People used to go to the Doctor when absolutely necessary, not for every stupid little thing. They did what they could at home and if there was no other alternatives, then they sought medical help. People also abuse the system by suing for everything imaginable or unimaginable which drains resources.

None of the above implies that I plan to cheat the system, but basic necessities come first.

Carry on, Samson.

[Foxx]

Wow, okay I think I unintentionally stirred up a hornets nest of sorts. No Marky Mark I am not promoting dishonesty. I was living in pain for many months and this was a way to fix my leg and get back to my profession. I believe God provided a means for me to get healed. God can use many things to help a person. Although I do not owe you an explanation. I sympathize with Samson's troubles and I was offering my advice because I know what it is like to be in that situation.

If anything I said caused tension here then I apologize. And Craig is right, we aren't perfect. And to assume we must be to help others, well that's just silly...at any rate Samson I truly hope that everything works out. I know how it feels to have a busted knee, I really hope you can get it fixed quickly!

And let me add, Mark, of all the carnality in the world I doubt using legal means to acquire assistance from the very government that is supposed to help its citizens is the definition of "carnal". Reminds me of a verse:

Matt 23:24 ye blind guides who strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.:

[Samson]

Hi Forum,

An update & other related issues from this thread. In regards to Foxx's removed Post and His mentioning about what He needed to do in order to "play the game" and get professional medical help by saying His injury happened that day and not a Month earlier, I'm not saying that was okay, but I understand why He did it. As an illustration, I was injured on 2/4/12 and could have had my wife call 911 and go to the Hospital and been treated, because, ethically they would have been obliged to treat Me. However, I knew that I wouldn't be able to pay for this and fulfill my other financial obligations, etc, etc, etc, without listing them. That's why, currently, I've encountered some difficulty with the medical World due to the fact I'm a "Self Pay" individual. Self Pay is a new label or stigma placed upon people. You don't need referrals, because you don't have an insurance companies rules and you need to do some of your own leg work too. Anyway, I'm a big boy, 55 years old, as I explained to Foxx in a Pm and I wasn't deliberately planning to Lie or deceive anyone. That's my plan & motive, just like Peter had planned not to deny He knew Christ, He had the right intentions & motive, but He fell short & failed in His claim as Jesus said He would.

Some of the Foundational things We are taught at Bible Truths through Ray is that None Us have Free Will and that God is 100% total Sovereign. God is Sovereign & The Myth of Free Will are the top two teachings We've learned, everything else is contingent upon these two main teachings; IE- no Eternal Punishment of any kind; everyone eventually being saved, Resurrection from the dead for everyone to Life or Righteousness through Judgement, Chosen Elect ruling as Kings & Priests with Christ, etc, etc. And since every choice We make is the only possible choice We could have made under any particular circumstances and the fact is that God had planned in the past what choice We are going to make and the choices We've made in the present and the choices We will make in the future, then whatever choice we make has to happen exactly how & why We make it, it couldn't be any other way. I don't presume that I'm of the Chosen Elect and that Sin doesn't have Dominion over Me, nor have I ever thought that I was. Some here might believe they are and that they wouldn't commit a Dishonesty Act under any type of Stress or pressure, but the reality is that We don't know what choice We are going to make under extreme pressure circumstances until they happen. I don't think anyone is going to convince Me of what they think they will choose to do under extreme pressure.

I went to an Orthopedic Specialist Today, Dr. Friedman and they have a Surgical Center where they perform all their surgeries and He's attempting to work with Me on the Fee's at a reduced rate. It turns out that I was right after all, it was My Quadriceps Tendon that's torn, the other issues are from the past, IE- Anterior Cruciate Ligament, Medial Meniscus Tear(s). He said He believes my Old injuries healed in an awkward way to compensate. In other words, the Body will repair itself naturally, but has to adapt to correct the faults in a way that's not original. He said that my Quadriceps rupture is the main issue and it's repair is vital, otherwise I will become permanently disabled. The other old issues aren't too important and my leg will be the way it was before my injury on 2/4/12. I won't be dunking Basketballs or jumping high hurdles, but I should be able to do the regular things that I used to do. Well, that's the story.

Kind Regards, Samson.

[onelovedread]

God be with you, My brothr Samson.

[Samson]

God be with you, My brothr Samson.

Thanks John Chris, just realized a few minutes ago that your OneLoveDread or you used to be called that, that shows how much I haven't been paying attention lately,  .

Samson.

[cjwood]

the Lord will provide.  always.  He is faithful. 

disabilities suck.  but they too are necessary for many brothers and sisters in Christ.  you have worked for most of your life probably by now brad.  look further into s.s. disability for your particular state.  this too is a humbling experience.  one i am walking.  but, He is faithful.  always.

claudia

[Duane]

Our prayers are with you and Kathy, Samson.  You have been a long-time B-T'er and I find your open-ness and honesty refreshing.  You are also posting on the correct venue--something I mess up with sometimes.  I think the criticism of the FORUM and moderators was harsh.  We. B-T'ers are a close family and we get ostracized by the "world and 'christian' friends" often enough without undo criticism of members or moderators!

God be with you, Samson and all our "family" in need whether it be medical or personal demons/challenges.  And God BLESS the VOLUNTEER MODERATORS who keep us all on track, as well as spiritually guided with their research and answering questions from "new-bies" and us old
contributors who still entertain Bible questions.  I will ever be grateful for Kat, Dennis and all others, who answered numerous questions for me on the way to the TRUTH.  (I will ALWAYS treasure a few personal answers from RAY, himself!)

[cjwood]

brad, even if you get your torn quad tendon repaired, you may still qualify for s.s. disability on a short-term level.  it may be worth checking into, especially since you won't be able to do the job you have been doing for awhile.  you may be compensated in some monetary way while you are on the mend. 

just remember that you may not be dunking basketballs, or doing high hurdles physically, but you are doing them spiritually for sure.  yoked to Christ we can all walk evenly, not worrying about the holes in the ground along the way.  awesome.

claudia

[Samson]

brad, even if you get your torn quad tendon repaired, you may still qualify for s.s. disability on a short-term level.  it may be worth checking into, especially since you won't be able to do the job you have been doing for awhile.  you may be compensated in some monetary way while you are on the mend. 

just remember that you may not be dunking basketballs, or doing high hurdles physically, but you are doing them spiritually for sure.  yoked to Christ we can all walk evenly, not worrying about the holes in the ground along the way.  awesome.

claudia

Thanks Claudia,

Spiritually, I have much left to be desired, all I can do is pray for The Father's Will be done, but as Ray said, You still have to Pray and even that's caused by God, the desire to pray, that is.

At this time, I'm "going" to get NJ Temporary Disability which lasts for six months, everybody pays into it, it's deducted on a regular basis from the pay check. Rehabilitation, if everything goes okay, isn't supposed to take too long. I guess that Dr. Friedman will know for sure after cutting my knee open, MRI or not. Don't like the idea of being put under, but have to pray about that too, God's Will & Plan will & is being done, no doubt about that.

Thanks for your concern & suggestion, Brad.

P.S. I really don't know for sure, what the Hell I'm doing, no pun intended,  .