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arion:

--- Quote from: Marky Mark on October 11, 2012, 03:18:43 PM ---
However, now it seems of late that the direction of this ship is way off course. When one is given advice on how to lie in order to get what one thinks he deserves,well, its time to move on.
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I think your way off base here Marky and it smacks a little of spiritual elitism.  The leadership of BT has not changed [except for the passing of Ray of course] and their world view has not changed.  You have all kinds of people coming here as members.  Some are just beginning to wake up to some of the deeper truths of God and they need the more seasoned members to respectfully challenge them when they show that they are thinking with their carnal mind.  Are any of us past that stage when we never slip up?  I think not.  Tis true that people are not supposed to join the forum until they find themselves in agreement with the teachings and want to discuss what they are learning.  I read the forum as a guest for a few years before I ever thought of joining as I didn't feel that I had anything worth sharing.  But there are folks that read for awhile and join the group and still are not grounded.  I would agree with you that if the mods and majority of the members are going astray it might be time to leave.  I don't think that is the case.....do you?

Doug

Samson:

--- Quote from: Craig on October 11, 2012, 04:36:00 PM ---Ladies and Gents I need to comment on Marky's post.  I also ask him to reconsider quitting, but if you still want to then send me a pm and I will remove your account. Good members with heavy anchors are a plus to the forum.


--- Quote ---However, now it seems of late that the direction of this ship is way off course. When one is given advice on how to lie in order to get what one thinks he deserves,well, its time to move on
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I want everyone to know the moderators all have jobs and families and other commitments other than this forum.  It is very likely and probable none of us saw the post that Marky commented on. I know I glanced at the thread Samson started yesterday and did not see the latest posts on the subject until now. If a moderator had saw it would have been removed.  If anyone see's a post that you feel should be looked at by a moderator then please PM one/all of us to review it. Also, all of us are carnal and at different places in our journey, would it be better to help others where they fail than to just quit?


--- Quote ---I know how, but I don't know when bt-forums became such a hotbed of so much carnal influence in recent and past months.
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I would also like for members to PM any concerns such as this.  I'm not aware that we have became "such a hotbed of carnal influence" but if someone sees that then please bring it to our attention.  The members of this forum are far, far, far away from being perfect and carnality influences all of us but I like to think the way the forum is moderated makes that less so than other forums on the internet.  Lack of patience and long suffering toward others here is also a carnal influence. The biggest thing I have learned and suffered in all my years of moderating the forum it is to have patience and understanding for  the members and I still have a long, long way to go.

Craig

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Craig,

I don't think Foxx was promoting dishonesty and insisting it was or is okay to deceive the Medical Establishment. However, Mark is technically and spiritually right that none of us should use dishonesty or deception because Life is unjust & unfair.

Interestingly, in regards to My injury that initially occurred on Feb. 4, 2012, I have and still am trying to follow through with this " Experience of Evil," " the right way." The irony in all of this, I'm not sure exactly what the "right way is," ie- trying to get help from the medical establishment. Already, I've been labeled as a "self pay" person because I don't have Health Coverage and been turned away. So, instead of attempting to get help for the entire 100 yards, ie- Money required for all aspects of Surgery and the related expenses that might be required, I decided to pay for the affordable preliminary things that will enable Me to have a plan by a Orthopedic Specialist as to what needs to be done and the various options I can choose. In other words, I've been paying for everything so far: 1) initial Dr. visit with MD; 2) MRI, paid in full by Me and Tomorrow, number 3, the Orthopedic Specialist.

This way, He(The Specialist) will fill out my NJ Temporary Disability Papers, write a more specific type of documentation for how long I won't be able to work and what my specific options could be to have my Leg repaired, probably surgically, but maybe non-surgically.

I have found or learned when you call different Agencies or Doctors and immediately say you don't have medical insurance without clarifying yourself, that you are able to pay some things, at least at the preliminary level, a red flag goes up. So, I called this Orthopedic group this afternoon and told the receptionist or secretary not to succumb to a red flag and easily dismiss Me, but to hear Me out and the response was pleasant & helpful. It seems that these medical people will immediately stereotype most people when they hear the phrase: " No medical coverage," because so many aren't paying their medical bills, because they don't have medical coverage & are unable to and it's a chronic problem. It's like one group of Demons battling another group of Demons, because both groups are vicious and angry at each other.

Interestingly enough, I could have chosen to be taken by an Ambulance the night this happened and they would have fully treated Me, but instead I choose to wait and see if it would get better using Home & alternative methods, because I didn't want to get in financial debt, owing money, being unable to pay my rent, electric bill, child support and everything else. I have enough Money in the Bank to pay these things for some time. As a matter of fact, I called my Landlord that I want to pay the rent for the next 6 months in advance. The reason for this is because I was always told that you have to pay your rent first, before everything else. My Dad has offered to financially assist Me, but I don't want to squander His money and take too much advantage of an 89 year old Man. I don't know if it's considered dishonest to pay bills in other areas, necessary bills, not recreational, instead of having too much money on hand that would get fully absorbed by the cost of a surgery.

My Hyundai Tiburon that broke down on Friday night on my way home from work, I mentioned this in my initial post, needs repair, probably not major, but I want that paid for before the Medical profession would tap into my resources. The bottom line is that I need to prioritize my finances. So far, I've received much rejection towards getting assistance, so that's why I changed my approach. If I was in jail, I'd get medical care and my leg fixed, if I was an illegal Alien, I'd get my leg fixed, etc. Also, if I was already on permanent Disability, I'd get my leg fixed. The Medical world doesn't know about my Dad maybe helping and I ain't telling them. So far, they've proved to Me, they just want "The Money." Tomorrow, they will get their $200.00 for their Orthopedic visit, so they don't have a problem, yet. I'm not blaming them, it's a vicious cycle with the medical travesty in this Country. Greedy Doctors plus people taking advantage of their insurance. People used to go to the Doctor when absolutely necessary, not for every stupid little thing. They did what they could at home and if there was no other alternatives, then they sought medical help. People also abuse the system by suing for everything imaginable or unimaginable which drains resources.

None of the above implies that I plan to cheat the system, but basic necessities come first.

Carry on, Samson.

Foxx:
Wow, okay I think I unintentionally stirred up a hornets nest of sorts. No Marky Mark I am not promoting dishonesty. I was living in pain for many months and this was a way to fix my leg and get back to my profession. I believe God provided a means for me to get healed. God can use many things to help a person. Although I do not owe you an explanation. I sympathize with Samson's troubles and I was offering my advice because I know what it is like to be in that situation.

If anything I said caused tension here then I apologize. And Craig is right, we aren't perfect. And to assume we must be to help others, well that's just silly...at any rate Samson I truly hope that everything works out. I know how it feels to have a busted knee, I really hope you can get it fixed quickly!

And let me add, Mark, of all the carnality in the world I doubt using legal means to acquire assistance from the very government that is supposed to help its citizens is the definition of "carnal". Reminds me of a verse:

Matt 23:24 ye blind guides who strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.:

Samson:
Hi Forum,

An update & other related issues from this thread. In regards to Foxx's removed Post and His mentioning about what He needed to do in order to "play the game" and get professional medical help by saying His injury happened that day and not a Month earlier, I'm not saying that was okay, but I understand why He did it. As an illustration, I was injured on 2/4/12 and could have had my wife call 911 and go to the Hospital and been treated, because, ethically they would have been obliged to treat Me. However, I knew that I wouldn't be able to pay for this and fulfill my other financial obligations, etc, etc, etc, without listing them. That's why, currently, I've encountered some difficulty with the medical World due to the fact I'm a "Self Pay" individual. Self Pay is a new label or stigma placed upon people. You don't need referrals, because you don't have an insurance companies rules and you need to do some of your own leg work too. Anyway, I'm a big boy, 55 years old, as I explained to Foxx in a Pm and I wasn't deliberately planning to Lie or deceive anyone. That's my plan & motive, just like Peter had planned not to deny He knew Christ, He had the right intentions & motive, but He fell short & failed in His claim as Jesus said He would.

Some of the Foundational things We are taught at Bible Truths through Ray is that None Us have Free Will and that God is 100% total Sovereign. God is Sovereign & The Myth of Free Will are the top two teachings We've learned, everything else is contingent upon these two main teachings; IE- no Eternal Punishment of any kind; everyone eventually being saved, Resurrection from the dead for everyone to Life or Righteousness through Judgement, Chosen Elect ruling as Kings & Priests with Christ, etc, etc. And since every choice We make is the only possible choice We could have made under any particular circumstances and the fact is that God had planned in the past what choice We are going to make and the choices We've made in the present and the choices We will make in the future, then whatever choice we make has to happen exactly how & why We make it, it couldn't be any other way. I don't presume that I'm of the Chosen Elect and that Sin doesn't have Dominion over Me, nor have I ever thought that I was. Some here might believe they are and that they wouldn't commit a Dishonesty Act under any type of Stress or pressure, but the reality is that We don't know what choice We are going to make under extreme pressure circumstances until they happen. I don't think anyone is going to convince Me of what they think they will choose to do under extreme pressure.

I went to an Orthopedic Specialist Today, Dr. Friedman and they have a Surgical Center where they perform all their surgeries and He's attempting to work with Me on the Fee's at a reduced rate. It turns out that I was right after all, it was My Quadriceps Tendon that's torn, the other issues are from the past, IE- Anterior Cruciate Ligament, Medial Meniscus Tear(s). He said He believes my Old injuries healed in an awkward way to compensate. In other words, the Body will repair itself naturally, but has to adapt to correct the faults in a way that's not original. He said that my Quadriceps rupture is the main issue and it's repair is vital, otherwise I will become permanently disabled. The other old issues aren't too important and my leg will be the way it was before my injury on 2/4/12. I won't be dunking Basketballs or jumping high hurdles, but I should be able to do the regular things that I used to do. Well, that's the story.

Kind Regards, Samson.

onelovedread:
God be with you, My brothr Samson.

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