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The Pluralty of Elohim?

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ICXCNIKA:
Thank you for all the wonderful insights. I have never believed in the trinity, I was raised apostolic (Bishop Sherrod C. Johnson). My original inquiry on the "plurality of Elohim" was based on the uses of plurality in the Hebrew language that connotes a plurality of Excellence as in 2 Chronicles 13:6 "Yet hath Jeroboam son of Nebat, servant of Solomon son of David, risen up,—and rebelled against his lord." - The Hebrew is plural for the word "lord" (i.e., lords) and is plural for an expression of Excellence or Honor. That is where my study of the plurality of Elohim is focused. Therefore, the question I was faced is if Elohim is more a title of GREAT MAJESTY in which HONOR & GLORY & EXCELLENCE is exalted upon our Creator, and less about the Father and Son relationship? Maybe I'm sitting to close to the screen :o and can't see the whole picture, so feel free to pull me back a bit.    ;D

ICXCNIKA:

--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on October 15, 2012, 10:11:35 PM ---Consider yourself pulled back.   ;D

You need a minimum of two Scriptures to establish a Truth.  That would be two Scriptures that stand on their own without a need to twist them to fit your opinion.

I would drop the "plurality of excellence" stuff.  Where do the Scriptures clearly teach such a concept?  Not your opinion or the opinion of others, but from the Scriptures?  Let the Scriptures speak for themselves.  The Truth doesn't need editorial comment.

--- End quote ---

Thank you JfromK for the reply, but allow me to clarify...
This has been the question currently on my heart, please don't misconstrue my intent. I believe all that I've learned here from Ray on Bibletruths, but I'm sure others can attest to this...Knowledge increased is useless without a greater measure of wisdom to guide us in our understanding of the depths of God. All my questions are simply, just me studying aloud with the council (BT forum members) that I trust; and always for reproof and correction on my part.
I'm not trying to establish, or argue any doctrinal ideas. But, it is imperative to understand how words and phrases were used, and their intended meanings in the original languages (Hebrew, Greek, etc.)  Otherwise we can only debate the various interpretations from man's "wisdom", and that will only lead to gross error. I'm not basing anything on "my opinion" (If this were a cooking forum, comparatively all I could contribute is: "how to make a pop-tart".) so believe me I'm definitely only here to learn! LOL, and I read every last line that is written in response to this post. And every post.

Here are clear examples of plurality being used in scripture (not used numerically, but for significance/excellence/majesty etc.)  I hope this will give anyone reading this post a better understanding of why I still ask the question, and hopefully show where I was coming from with my initial question. And why it is not a matter of "dropping the plurality of excellence stuff." But, more a question of understanding it. And I believe the concept is obvious in the following scriptures.

1. Exodus 21:29 "Its owner  (be'alav, "owners") also shall be put to death"
2. 2 Samuel 16:20 Absalom is looking for advice for himself, yet he refers to himself as "we" i.e.,  said to Ahithophel, "Give your counsel what we shall do"
3. Nehemiah 3:5 "...put not their neck into the service of their lords" Rotherham's Emphasized Bible has an "a" marking for a footnote that reads: (as pl. of excellence): "Their lord" or "Lord"
4. Nehemiah 9:18 "...||This|| is thy God that brought thee up out of Egypt,..." Rotherham's Emphasized Bible has an "e" marking for a footnote that reads: Pl. ? "of excellence."
5. Isaiah 19:4 uses 'adonim for lords  instead of 'adon for lord even though referring to one person: "Into the hand of a cruel lord"

Jews believe, and have always taught the plurality of majesty in regards to the use of Elohim in Genesis. And also they believe that the "our" in "Let us make man in our image..." (Genesis 1:26) is GOD speaking to the ministering angels during the creation epoch (i.e., Job 38:7.) ??? I don't know if any other Churches teach this, though I was taught this same thing in my Apostolic upbringing.
Again thank you John from Kentucky for pulling me back a bit.  ;)  I appreciate you and everyone for taking the time to read and respond.....and I agree to let the scriptures speak for themselves - that being the very reason I have this question in the first place.
I'm going to sound like Capt. Obvious here for a minute, but...
 "The Word of GOD is Deep!"    :)

ICXCNIKA:
I just wanted make a quick comment about where I'm at with my study of "The Plurality of Elohim".  And to thank Kathy, Extol, Levy, and John from Kentucky for their amazing insights, reminders and the time it took to read and respond to my inquiry.  And especially to Kat, whose posts always give me SO MUCH, Thank you - your reiteration of Ray's "Almighty Divine Family" set me on a search and a revisit of some of the videos here....I just got done watching the 3 part study: March 2011 Bible Study - Is Jesus God / Are You Afraid of God.   And that really made a HUGE impact, so thank you.  I'm writing this through tears because I bowed my head and prayed along with Ray during the closing prayer for the food they were all about to eat, I don't know why since I'm not there to eat lol  ...But, I did it and it breaks my heart to never have been able to say "thank you" to Ray for ALL (and I mean all - as in ALL!) that I've learned from his ENORMOUS efforts of study and prayer....So please, Kat, Extol, Levy and John from Kentucky...accept my sincere gratitude for being a HUGE part of what has lead me to watching that amazing study; it was one I had somehow never seen! And it was..."wow!" Amen. Thank you.

sunsetdramaking:
Amen, brother Metamatic, I feel your pain about Ray's loss too. Also, the great joy at being able to study and learn from the fruits of Ray's labours.  I want to encourage you to keep seeking in the Word. There's soooo much depth to it. Don't let anybody's lack of encouragement or input hinder you in this search. I would contribute more to your study myself but I don't know much about it yet to be honest, but I agree with you it's worth studying as there seems to be enough scriptural merit to investigate this further.

ICXCNIKA:
Thanks brother. I agree, there is a lot of merit for this sort of inquiry, but like most things scriptural.....a ton of mystery and deep studying is involved too. The Ray video I linked in my last comment (March 2011 Bible Study - Is Jesus God / Are You Afraid of God), really grounded me on some solid truths, and it answered some really important, nagging questions in regards to the Godhead enigma. And like all great enigmas.....it makes room for many more questions, The Bible is rich with layers, and amazingly so.

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