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Kat:
Hi Matt,
There is a clear order of authority that is put into place and this was started all the way back in the garden of Eden.
Gen 3:16 To the woman he said, "I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."
There needs to be one as head, to lead and have the final say. This is an great responsibility given to the man, symbolic to Christ as head of the body/church.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
v. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.
v. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.
Yes we have an order of things put in place, but I do not believe women are meant to be derogated by their place, it is what it is. This life is but a moment/vapor/mist (James 4:14) in time, and this life is a struggle "experience in evil" for us all whatever position we hold. So we are in this life with a certain allotment, that hardly ever seems fair, but the main purpose of this life is to give us experience. We are building a character, good and bad, from which God will have something to shape and mold into something good, for most that will be in the Lake of fire judgment.
It's not so much the position you hold, but what you do where ever you find yourself. The world struggles for a position of authority among men/women, if we are not of this world then that should not be so with us. Though we do have a certain order in the places we hold now, for a few God is causing to live righteously now, by the Spirit indwelling, where ever we are. Paul also spoke on how we should do this.
Col 3:11 Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all, and in all.
v. 12 Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,
v. 17 And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.
v. 18 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
v. 19 Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them.
v. 20 Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.
v. 21 Fathers, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged.
v. 22 Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord.
v. 23 Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men,
v. 24 knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward. You are serving the Lord Christ.
v. 25 For the wrongdoer will be paid back for the wrong he has done, and there is no partiality.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on October 23, 2012, 12:46:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: Revilonivek on October 23, 2012, 11:02:22 AM ---Is there any other person in the new testament that said the same thing as Paul did about women being under the man, shouldn't teach and be quiet in churches? Let me know? Thanks?
Denise
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Yes. That person would be Jesus Who called, converted (in a few seconds), and chose Paul to be one of the great leaders of the church.
All Scriptures from Genesis through Revelation are the Words of Jesus. It was Jesus Who caused Paul to write what he wrote. That is why those who have the Spirit of Jesus respect what Paul wrote as well as all 49 books of the Scriptures.
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Amen John!
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on October 23, 2012, 12:58:39 PM ---God does like to have His little jokes.
Who was the first human recorded in Scriptures to see and touch Jesus after His Resurrection? His close friends the Apostles? No. Who was it that was sent to tell the Apostles of the Resurrection? Some great manly man who was a leader of other men? No. ;D ;D ;D
It was a woman, Mary Magdalene, who loved Him greatly. Who had had problems with evil spirits. It was no accident she was chosen first to see Him. Love is the most important aspect of God, and she loved greatly. And her love was acknowledged with this special and unique privilege to see Him first. It also shows God holds women in high esteem and loves both His daughters and His sons.
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Double Amen! It's all in the perspective and that perspective should be through love. A man as the head of a woman, fearing God and loving as Christ did, would never make his wife feel as though she is below him or lowly and a servant or slave. She would feel his love, protection, and guidance as we all feel our Lords love, protection and guidance for us. It's the same thing, as Christ loves His bride, so are men to love their wives. As Christ layed down His life for us all, so are we to lay down our lives for ours.
To kathy; Beautifully put!
SDDiver:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on October 23, 2012, 12:46:57 PM --- as well as all 49 books of the Scriptures.
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I thought there were 66 books.
Revilonivek:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on October 23, 2012, 12:58:39 PM ---God does like to have His little jokes.
Who was the first human recorded in Scriptures to see and touch Jesus after His Resurrection? His close friends the Apostles? No. Who was it that was sent to tell the Apostles of the Resurrection? Some great manly man who was a leader of other men? No. ;D ;D ;D
It was a woman, Mary Magdalene, who loved Him greatly. Who had had problems with evil spirits. It was no accident she was chosen first to see Him. Love is the most important aspect of God, and she loved greatly. And her love was acknowledged with this special and unique privilege to see Him first. It also shows God holds women in high esteem and loves both His daughters and His sons.
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So In other words, no one else said that except paul in the new testament. The thing is, you need two witnesses to establish every truth and no one backed Paul on that part in new testament. What Paul said is clearly sexist. It's one of the sensitive subjects so I'll leave it alone.
Denise
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