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Leviticus 12
Patric:
--- Quote from: the truth on October 31, 2012, 09:03:19 AM ---Hello, Its always interesting to me how people men and women try to explain the Scripture away.Well some things believe it or not are literal as well.But I am not about to give countless Scripture on God order of his creation only for them to be spiritulaized away!Kat...As always your comments are very helpful and most importantly seasoned with salt!There is ONLY one way of doing things and that's God way!Wither you be a woman or a man if God took woman out of men that has to mean something.Like it or not....I keep waiting for Joyce Meyer...or Polly White... to come on here and teach us something in the name of women rights.Thank God Kat there are women...like yourself.... who doesn't see it as some sort of dilemma to just obey God and not make it a race issue in anyway.No,no one asked for my opinion but guess what I didn't ask you yours either.ITS ABOUT WHAT THE SCRIPTURE TEACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL so what do the scriptures teach on the original question? Thus far all of us have speculated and some on topics that are a bit out of bounds upon the original question. There are things I could ask about the old testament like why no mixing of fabrics that were expressly forbidden etc. .....A lot of the info is obscure and matters very little in any culture aside of the Elect of our Father. I have really appreciated all the comments and wisdom put in here......including your own. This question was very interesting to me.....for I often wonder about the child that dies in the womb. What life could have been etc.....and or why that happens and other gets 90+ years. Our father is in complete control and this alone gives me sanity when thinking such matters
Revilonivek:
Kat, I was simply sharing my thoughts on the subject. Whatever God's reasons are, it is prob for a good reason but that reason is not known nor is concise and maybe in other words we will never know why. But from an angle reading that scriptures, and using past experiences with women and their babies, it is clearly discriminative against females in general. We don't even know why but whatever it is , God must have a very good reason. I'll leave it at that.
mavis92379:
Hi Patrick,
To answer your question. I think Foxx is correct that the answer to this question is obviously something spiritual. I try not to teach or make assumptions because peoples imiginations begin to run away from them when that happens. However its no assumption that the type of Cain and Abel,Jacob and Esau runs pretty consistently in the Old Testament so I currently feel because of the context of the seperation having to do with purity that the difference could have something to do with the two judgements man child being the elect, maid child being babylon.
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
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mavis92379:
Revilonivek,
The problem continues because you continue to judge a Christian principle from a secular perspective. I currently have no faith in you that you will step outside of your comfort zone and first try and understand this concept :
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Wheb you read verses like wives submit to your husbands you must remember that everything else in the Bible still remains true while you contemplate what that means. Look at this verse :
Psa 119:160 The sum of thy word is truth; And every one of thy righteous ordinances endureth for ever.
It does not say some of thy word is true it says the sum of it is true ! So when a man reads this :
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Does this suddenly become false for the man ? :
Php 2:3 Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.
Php 2:4 Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.
In order for us to interpret these verses the way you want them to sound we must than say that all other Christian principles suddenly become false.
Does the man suddenly forget these concepts ?
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal with God.
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Php 2:7 but emptied himself, a servant's form did he possess, a mortal man becoming. In human form he chose to be,
Php 2:8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death, yea, the death of the cross.
Jesus in his full immortal divinity emptied himself of his immortality and divinity to take on the form of a mortal servant to be laughed at,rejected,beaten and hung on cross to die. In return :
Php 2:9 Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name;
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Now its your belief that a women who believes this concept in Matt 23:11, and believes that Jesus voided himself of his divinity to become a man to die for her, and she should use that as an example for her own humility and obedience, is being discriminated against by her sexist husband who shares the same belief as her ?
Deut 22:5 A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this.
I guess if we give it enough progression this also would be discrimination and sexist. All I really see here is different degrees. You draw your line and God draws his. In order to enter Gods kingdom a women must wear women's clothing and she must possess qualities that in the sight of God and men who value them are a great price.
1 Peter 3:4 But let them be those of the unseen man of the heart, the ever-shining ornament of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great price in the eyes of God.
This is not to say a women has no voice,opinion or equality. The only thing more unbecoming to me than to see a women lording authority over her husband with unnecessary contention is to see a husband mistreating his wife with unequal tyranny with no regard for his wife.
You will not get me on the defensive because you label things with words like discrimination. I have the ability to look at this from your perspective and understand how your world view led you to judge this. You cannot look at this from my perspective because than walls preconceived notions would begin to fall.
Revilonivek:
I was raised in a family that was once Pentecostal and dabbles in other denominations as well. They still do, trying to find the peace. I am the first in my family that sees outside of something, many thanks to Ray and my father in law who is atheist. They forced me to see outside of a box that i have been inside of for many years. My mind is so wide open right now.I cannot allow a box to define me anymore. I want to be able to love everyone, male and female as equals. They are helpmates. Bible teaches Christ is over the man and the male is over the female....the hierarchy thing bothers me. I get no peace from that. No peace or unconditional love. Did he make the female weaker than the male so they must submit to the male? That is so wrong. Although I may disagree on this subject but it doesn't mean the end of the world either. I believe on many aspects that Ray teaches.
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