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Does God know everything?
Kat:
--- Quote ---God does not personally do everything that is done in all acts and events, nor has He known, elected, chosen, or predestined all the acts and events from all eternity past."
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Hi Ian, this is just one of the comments from your post.
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, "My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure,'
How is it possible for this to be true if God does not know everything? He has "declared the end," so for that to be as He has declared it everything must go according to His will to that exact end point. He knows "things that are not yet done."
Eph 1:10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
v. 11 In Him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
Anybody can take a Bible and say what they think it all means. But it takes the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ indwelling to understand the spirit of the words.
1Co 2:10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
v. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
v. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
v. 13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy[4] Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
v. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Patric:
Amen Sister
lilitalienboi16:
Oh Ian... How can you let such foolishness cause you doubt?
Have you not read that God has declared the end from the beginning? Or that Christ knew of peter's denial before His death and even exactly how many times he would deny Him? Did you not know of God's prophesying of His Son to come? Did you not know how He knew of His own death? Have you not read that before the earth was, the Lamb had been slain from it's foundation long before adam and eve ever "sinned" therefor requiring the death of a Savior?
Did you not hear that all things were created by Him? That He controls all things? That He works all things after the council of His own will? That even the hairs on your head are numbered? That your days are numbered? That as the leapord can change his spots, so can you do good? If God controls all things Ian, how can you think He does not know all things also? Have you not heard how all the nations shall worship before the Lord? That all the people shall call upon Him with one consent? How every knee will bow and every tongue will confess? How pray tell, could the Lord not know all things when He knows even when the end shall come? "FOR THE LAST ENEMY THAT SHALL BE DESTROYED IS DEATH [...] and THEN comes THE END." Does this not concur with God declaring the END from the beginning?
Have you even bothered to check the pieces of scriptures cited in the article? How about you pick a few and we discuss them? Perhaps this will help put your mind at ease. If you are not strong enough yet to have faith and assurance in the things L.Ray Smith and others have said here, that being the emphatic decelerations of God and His plan through His Word, then why do you search else where, where your mind can be troubled?
God bless,
Alex
musicman:
--- Quote from: Patric on November 01, 2012, 10:41:33 AM ---He Knows the Bengals will never win a super bowl!!
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I disagree. If god puts enough money on the Bengals, you bet they'll be winning the thing. Even without Ocho Cinco.
lilitalienboi16:
I decided to get this show on the road for you Ian, lets start with the first piece of scripture that is cited;
Genesis 6:5-7 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Apparently the author of your article is attempting to use this phrase where it "repented" the Lord that he had made man as an example of God not knowing that man would ultimately become evil in his ways and require God to judge him through a flood. I have two versus of scripture first of all that deal with the state in which man was created which will blow this idea right out of the water;
Romans 8:19-21 "For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly [/b][NOT OUT OF HIS OWN FREE WILL], but by reason of Him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God."
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and EXCEEDINGLY WEAK: who can know it?
God created man in a position in which his heart is weak, and subject to vanity. Man is incapable of doing good because of the state in which He was created in. This is God who did this, God is well aware of the effect that this will have on mankind's behavior. He isn't caught off guard by anything.
Now here is L.ray Smiths explanation of this passage in relation to samual, it should help. Notice clearly in this explanation that no where does it suggest that God somehow didn't plan ahead or know of the impending disaster to come and the eventual flood He would use to set things right.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6961.msg55392.html#msg55392
--- Quote ---Dear Don: Don't misunderstand the meaning of "sorry" as it was used in archaic English. He was not "sorry" as in "I made a mistake that I now wish I hadn't made." That is nonsense. It is translated "grieved," and that is the proper word. Also the word for "repented" can mean to "pity." And these are proper emotional statements coming from God that do not insinuate that He didn't know what He was doing. God says he takes "no delight in the death of the wicked." But that doesn't mean He is sorry that He ever created humanity which is mostly wicked. And so when they death was to come, God felt pity and was grieved for the destruction that He brought upon them as a part of His original plan from the beginning. Hope this helps your understanding.
God be with you,
Ray
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http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,14368.msg127225.html#msg127225
--- Quote ---If we take Gen. 5:6--"And it repented the Lord that He had made man...." and then read I Sam. 15:29--"And also the Strength
{the LORD] of Israel will not lie nor repent, for He is not a man that He should repent," we could easily conclude that this is
a contradiction of Scriptures. It is not. Does God ever "repent?" Yes, of course He does, the Bible says He does, but we
need to understand the different meanings of the word and the context in which it is used. By the way, you use the word "regret"
as what God felt, but regret is not a definition of "repent" or "grieved."
My American Heritage Dictionary has this as one of the definitions of "repent"--To make a change for the better as a result
of remorse or contrition FOR ONE'S SINS. Can we apply this definition of repent to God? Does God SIN?
What is another definition of repent as it is used in the Hebrew Scriptures: Dr. Strong--"repent, #5152, to sigh, to breathe
strongly , by implication to feel sorry, that is (in a favorable way) TO PITY...." Now then, does this definition fit the feeling that
God had when He saw the incredible evil and corruption of mankind? Yes it does. We might ask, what kind of a God would
He be if He did NOT feel "pity" for what He determined was His next course of action, namely to wipe them out with a flood.
And as for I Sam. 15:29 which states that God is not a man that He should repent, the context here is that God is not fickle.
He is not like men who constantly change their mind and are often driven by the winds of human philosophy. The same principle
applies with the statement where God says, "I am the LORD, I CHANGE NOT" (Malachi 3:6).
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Next? ;)
God bless,
Alex
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