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Jesus--God's first creation--HOW/WHO?

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Duane:
Per usual--thank you ALL for your responses!  More are welcomed!

levycarneiro:

--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on November 13, 2012, 09:28:48 AM ---
--- Quote ---Don't throw your pearls before those who are not capable of understanding.
--- End quote ---

Exactly

--- End quote ---

I remember Dave's comment on another (old) thread, something like this:

"These truths are for you"

Which reminds me of Matthew 13:11:

"...it is given unto YOU to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given."

In other words, no matter how hard we try, it will bounce right back at us. So no point.

How hard is to accept the "only you" part!


God bless,
Levy

levycarneiro:
Just as a humour piece.

Tried to tell these truths in another forum, but the system is so closed that you need some "reputation points" to earn the right to reply/comment on any questions. Problem is: the only way to earn reputation points is via asking questions (!). You can't earn points by giving answers, no. So even if Jesus was physically here "trying" to reach the world with the full-disclosed truth on that forum, the system is so closed they wouldn't "give" Him a chance! hehe

Again, the truth is OURS today, to those GOD chooses to give it too tomorrow, and to everyone later.

God bless,
Levy

Kat:

Well how do we know exactly who "them" are? Yes I know it is those in the world/Babylon in general... but we were one of 'them' at one time. We are all called out of the world/Babylon. If somebody has a desire to preach or teach (not here) or just leave a witness somewhere, why would we ever discourage them from doing so  ???  Wasted time and effort on their part maybe, but maybe not, even if God uses you to reach one single person it would be worth it. I say if you desire to, then go for it.

Like Ray said, "I know God will eventually take everybody to be where they need to go, but sometimes God accelerates things, by the foolishness of preaching.  That's what I am doing."

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Dave in Tenn:
I certainly don't believe in locking the door behind 'us'.  Every one of 'us' is a testamant to the hunger and thirst that is out there and will continue till this age is over, and beyond, I believe.  People believe because of the foolishness of preaching, though it's God that gives faith.  I don't know how many hits B-T gets in an average month, but I'm guessing many of the new hits (and probably most) read the subject headings and say to themselves "Not for me."  And they would be right....for now.

Duane, I think there are too many things that have to be understood before your question is answered.  Line upon line.  Precept upon precept.  Who says Spirit can't create anything?  Does scripture?  Maybe it does and I've never seen it. 

There may be a sense in which Spirit "can't" create anything, because fundamentally Spirit is already everything.  The world isn't created out of nothing. 

Anyway, that's all I got.  :)  It's kind of a theological question with too many assumptions (right or wrong). 

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