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Why did God take so long to create everything?
theophilus:
--- Quote from: Kat on January 27, 2013, 07:27:04 AM ---
Hi theophilus,
Ray did a Bible study in 08n called 'Time and Eternity,' here are the links.
audios
http://bible-truths.com/audio/Bible
http://bible-truths.com/audio/Bible
video
http://bible-truths.com/video/study113008.wmv
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Thank you for the links Kat! :)
I heard Ray say that in his teens he heard on TV that time is a location, that he added "geographical" to location. In other words, time is a geographical location. I suspect Ray was thinking of time as being the fourth dimension.
This reminded me that scientists theorize that time STOPS at the event horizon of a black hole. Einstein's theory of relativity predicts this phenomenon. The event horizon of a black hole is that point from where an object cannot escape its gravitational pull nor does it fall INTO the black hole. This is when time stops, say for a space traveler, if his spaceship reaches the event horizon. This means that time is relative. Time in the spatial frame of a black hole runs differently from our spatial frame, for instance.
BTW, your first two links are broken. Only the link for the video is working.
Mercy, peace and love to you too.
Roger.
Michael:
Try here Roger. Bottom of the page.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,8256.0.html
Kat:
Hi Roger,
Well I really don't see how time can stop at one point, event horizon of a black hole, and continue on everywhere else. I know it's just a theory, but doesn't sound right to me.
I don't think Ray was speaking of a 'fourth dimension,' he was speaking of the here and now, in the physical, but beyond as well. Time is not a substance or a thing, but a relation between things, the relation between changes in things. I think you could say that time is the measure of change in the physical world now, but will continue as we move beyond the physical.
I haven't read this transcript in quite a while and there is much to be gained from it.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,10538.msg90948.html#msg90948 ----
Psa 102:25 …and the heavens [are] the work of Your (Comment: This is speaking of God.) hands.
v. :26 They shall perish (Comment: What? The heavens and the earth.), but You shall endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shall You change them, and they shall be changed:
v. 27 But You [art] the same, and Your years shall have no end.
Didn’t we read from both of these people (being discussed in this study) that when the creation is done away with that there will be no time? When there is no sun will there be years? No? “All of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shall You change them, and they shall be changed: But You [art] the same, and Your YEARS shall have no end.” “Shall have” present progressive into the future, “no end.”
Didn’t J. Preston Eby say that the way to tell if the Bible is talking about something that continues, the Bible uses the phrase “no end?’ I read that right at the beginning, he knows that. Here’s one that says, the years of God. You say, ‘well it’s talking about spiritual years.’ It doesn’t matter, he uses the word “years, shall have no end.” Who you going to believe the Bible or theologians, Christian ministers.
Luke 1:33 …and of His kingdom there shall be no end.
Now it doesn’t say what about the kingdom, it just says “of the kingdom.” Whatever pertains to the kingdom will have “no end.”
Let’s go to Proverbs next. This is the one I used at the conference. Remember I had all of those words; processes, events, happenings, changing and remember they used them all interchangeably... all this has to do with the physical universe and time, has nothing to do before or after the creation. Wrong paleface.
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of His way, BEFORE His works of old.
"Before"… ‘You mean some-time before?’ Well yea, I would think sometime before.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting (aonian), from the beginning, or ever (That means before) the earth was.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
theophilus:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on January 28, 2013, 06:17:11 PM ---Einstein is greatly overrated. His theories do not predict what happens on the other side of a black hole, nor what it was like before the Big Bang. Also, his General Theory of Relativity did not predict the expansion of the universe at an ever increasing velocity the further objects become from one another. There is still no adequate proven explanation for that phenomena discovered in the later 1990s. Also, his explanation of gravity is inadequate.
God's name of Jehovah (Yahweh) means "He is coming", (in Hebrew,third person singular, incomplete action, thus in future time).
In Revelation, God is called "Is, Was, and Will Be",-----an existence in time.
And Ray's quotation of the Scriptures showing God is working through time.
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And with all due respect, you greatly underrate him. No one else in his time was able to understand and discover what he did. Not even Niels Bohr! In my lowly opinion, these two gentlemen were luminaries, geniuses in their own right. Having said this, his theories are by no means complete, as are not Bohr's theories either, but are an echelon in man's quest for a unifying theory that might explain the workings of our universe. I don't think he ever claimed that his theories explained or summed up how the universe works. Quantum mechanics was the next echelon and God only knows what will be next.
Nowadays, physicists are very excited by the discovery of THE FIELD, or THE DIVINE MATRIX. This is what they're calling this "field" that fills up "empty space". In fact, it permeates EVERYTHING--even us. According to the physicists working on this, we are all connected through this field, even the animals and inanimate objects. They're claiming that his field displays PURE INTELLIGENCE.
Let's wait and see what comes out of this.
Blessings.
theophilus:
--- Quote from: Kat on January 28, 2013, 02:08:28 PM ---
Hi Roger,
Well I really don't see how time can stop at one point, event horizon of a black hole, and continue on everywhere else. I know it's just a theory, but doesn't sound right to me.
I don't think Ray was speaking of a 'fourth dimension,' he was speaking of the here and now, in the physical, but beyond as well. Time is not a substance or a thing, but a relation between things, the relation between changes in things. I think you could say that time is the measure of change in the physical world now, but will continue as we move beyond the physical.
I haven't read this transcript in quite a while and there is much to be gained from it.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,10538.msg90948.html#msg90948 ----
Psa 102:25 …and the heavens [are] the work of Your (Comment: This is speaking of God.) hands.
v. :26 They shall perish (Comment: What? The heavens and the earth.), but You shall endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shall You change them, and they shall be changed:
v. 27 But You [art] the same, and Your years shall have no end.
Didn’t we read from both of these people (being discussed in this study) that when the creation is done away with that there will be no time? When there is no sun will there be years? No? “All of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shall You change them, and they shall be changed: But You [art] the same, and Your YEARS shall have no end.” “Shall have” present progressive into the future, “no end.”
Didn’t J. Preston Eby say that the way to tell if the Bible is talking about something that continues, the Bible uses the phrase “no end?’ I read that right at the beginning, he knows that. Here’s one that says, the years of God. You say, ‘well it’s talking about spiritual years.’ It doesn’t matter, he uses the word “years, shall have no end.” Who you going to believe the Bible or theologians, Christian ministers.
Luke 1:33 …and of His kingdom there shall be no end.
Now it doesn’t say what about the kingdom, it just says “of the kingdom.” Whatever pertains to the kingdom will have “no end.”
Let’s go to Proverbs next. This is the one I used at the conference. Remember I had all of those words; processes, events, happenings, changing and remember they used them all interchangeably... all this has to do with the physical universe and time, has nothing to do before or after the creation. Wrong paleface.
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of His way, BEFORE His works of old.
"Before"… ‘You mean some-time before?’ Well yea, I would think sometime before.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting (aonian), from the beginning, or ever (That means before) the earth was.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Hello Kat, thanks agains for the resources.
Time is another dimension in our three-dimensional universe. You can tell me WHERE you are right now by giving me your coordinates. Suppose I were to meet with you and took a plane. I might get there in a few hours. You will probably not be there but someplace else. You didn't tell the WHEN part of your whereabouts. My point is wherever we are geographically, there is also a time component. I'm typing this around 5:10 pm on January 29, 2013. This is the fourth dimension I'm talking about: TIME.
If TIME will continue to be in ETERNITY, then time itself is already or will be eternal. Like I've imagined on many occasions, eternity WILL BE A VERY LONG TIME. What will we do with it? It's been claimed that God has ALWAYS EXISTED. You realize that ALWAYS is talking about time. So, maybe TIME is ETERNAL, since God has ALWAYS EXISTED. I don't think people realize what this statement means when they say it. The conclusion is that time has been God's companion. I conclude this IF AND ONLY IF God has ALWAYS existed.
Maybe it's incorrect to say God has always existed; maybe a more accurate observation would be GOD IS, regardless of whether we talk of the past, present or the future. God IS in the past, God IS in the present and God IS in the future. Also, God IS before the creation of the Universe.
Blessings
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