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What will happen to those who teach eternal hell?
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---Not to harp, but you selected an excerpt from Ray's paper that used the word punishment, but then you switched and asked about judgment and wondered what Ray said their judgment would be, but then you switched back and asked about their punishment. I don't believe that judgment is the same as punishment, although judgment does entail punishment.
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Spoken like a real attorney :)
indianabob:
Great observation Dennis,
Our Gina may be getting ready to sit for the bar (of justice) examination.
I'm learning NOT to try to put any thing over on her, she's too quick! ;D
Love and hugs to Gina, Indianabob
Gina:
haaa! Thanks you two! Love and hugs to you too, Bob and Dennis. (I've been a legal secretary for going on 22 years now. But I learned that tool from no one other than Ray. I may have heard it elsewhere but it was his style that made it sink in and stick in my hard head. lol)
But back to the punishment issue. I was just thinking too how it is said that the penalty (punishment) for sin is death. That's probably the thing that would surprise most if not all, is knowing that death will be their punishment/penalty - as is true for all of us. But then there's judgment -- and judgment can be severe or not severe, it can be a blessing too, but it is designed to get people and blasphemers alike to learn, So now look at what Paul said he did with some blasphemers:
1 Tim. 1
18 This instruction I commit to you, my child Timothy, according to the prophecies which led the way to you, that by them you may wage the good warfare;
19 holding faith and a good conscience; which some having thrust away made a shipwreck concerning the faith;
20 of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I delivered to Satan, that they might be taught not to blaspheme.
That they might be taught [or LEARN] not to blaspheme, they were delivered to Satan. I don't know exactly what that entailed, but whatever it is, I imagine it ends up in them begging God for mercy and acknowledging their wrongs and receiving mercy, just like Paul, who himself received mercy and served as an example as to how God is able to save even the worst sinner. So certainly he would save all blasphemers (remember, that Paul was a blasphemer--he even said so).
Anyhoo. :)
Rhys 🕊:
Thanks for all your responses, all very helpful and plenty for me to ponder on and read. I think some of my uses of the words judgement and punishment were not too clear as had a different train of thought and must admit I am not the best at putting down into words what I am thinking, something I still need to work on. Looking at the line I wrote below:
For those that do warn others at least they are putting into practice what they believe.
I was talking in a general sense of putting into action what you believe. I don't support those who preach hell. Thinking about my earlier questions I imagine myself with someone else who then starts to preach about going to hell to someone. Do I just stand there and listen or do I intervene. I would think now I would intervene with the knowledge and understanding I have but is it wise if you don't have the answers. Of course you may get attacked for it but if you are speaking the truth then Oh well that's what happens.
God bless
Rhys
Gina:
Exactly. You know enough of the answers to be able to say, sorry but I'm really not interested in engaging you in a conversation about some place that I am supremely convinced ... by God no less.. does not exist. Thank you and have a nice day. (Alternative ending: Ey mate, how's things going with you these days? Got a lot on your mind? 8) )
I might be the one who is the hardest to understand. Something I'm aware of too. It's always been hard to put my thoughts into words. I have need for patience. ;)
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