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As It Was In the Days of Noah - Luke 17:26
Gina:
26 As it happened in the days of Noah, even so will it be also in the days of the Son of Man.
27 They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ship, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise, even as it happened in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built;
29 but in the day that Lot went out from Sodom, it rained fire and sulfur from the sky, and destroyed them all.
Well, this is weighing on my mind. Someone on the forum (I will not name names) pointed the bolded part out to me by PM. I then discussed this with an attorney at my work (because he is an member/elder in the Mormon church - and he's super cool and easy to talk to). I said, Dan, you know, someone told me on my bible study forum what "they were given in marriage" means. Gay marriage, since it is well established that only a woman can be given in marriage, but now with the passage of the gay marriage laws men are also given in marriage.
He goes, yeah, and smiled. I said, soooo you've known about this -- you heard about this before I mentioned it to you just now? And he goes, yeah, for about 5 years now.
I was blown away. Again, I know this isn't something that Ray specifically taught or mentioned but it has been weighing on my mind a lot lately --- that while we can't know the exact day or the hour, Jesus gave signs of the times so we can be watching. I know that Christ's words are spirit, but it must mean that in the days of Naoh in the land of Sodom, men were marrying each other and therefore being given in marriage. (Not to harp on the gay marriage thing.)
What are your thoughts, BT family?
indianabob:
Hi Gina,
Perhaps I'm not following your point. Couldn't "they" refer to women being given to men in Sodom? Where does it imply that only men were living in Sodom at that time?
Inquiring minds want to know? Bob
Gina:
I agree with you in that both men and women were living in Sodom. I think it's worth remarking that it says they were marrying and they were being given in marriage, meaning men were marrying men and women marrying women, as we have today with the passing of the gay marriage laws.
At what other time in history, other than in the days of Noah, were women AND men given in marriage? None other than this present age we're living in right now -- at least that all that I know of personally. For sure in every other point in history women have been given in marriage to men and have married, they've ate and drank, made merry.
But Jesus is giving a sign of the times. He's telling us what will be happening at the time of His appearing, and goes on to single out Noah, Lot and Sodom: as it was in the "days of Lot and in the days of Noah" so shall it be in the days of the Son of Man. And I guess the reason He singled them out is because the TIMES were markedly different from any other time in history in that men were apparently marrying men and women were marrying women.
Thanks for responding. :)
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Gina on December 02, 2012, 11:22:40 PM ---I agree with you in that both men and women were living in Sodom. I think it's worth remarking that it says they were marrying and they were being given in marriage, meaning both men and women, as we have today with the passing of the gay marriage laws. At what other time in history, other than in the days of Noah, were women AND men given in marriage? None other than this present age we're living in right now -- at least that all that I know of personally. For sure in every other point in history women have been given in marriage to men and have married, they've ate and drank, made merry. Jesus is giving a sign of the times. He's telling us what will be happening at that point in history at His appearing, just as it was in the "days of Lot and in the days of Noah" so shall it be in the days of the Son of Man. The days of Lot and Noah were markedly different from any other time in history in that men were apparently marrying men and women were marrying women.
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The greeks.
Homosexuality in ancient Greece
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Young man and teenager engaging in intercrural sex, fragment of a black-figure Attic cup, 550 BC–525 BC, Louvre
In classical antiquity, writers such as Herodotus,[1] Plato,[2] Xenophon,[3] Athenaeus[4] and many others explored aspects of same-sex love in ancient Greece. The most widespread and socially significant form of same-sex sexual relations in ancient Greece was between adult men and pubescent or adolescent boys, known as pederasty (marriages in Ancient Greece between men and women were also age structured, with men in their 30s commonly taking wives in their early teens). Though homosexual relationships between adult men did exist, at least one member of each of these relationships flouted social conventions by assuming a passive sexual role. It is unclear how such relations between women were regarded in the general society, but examples do exist as far back as the time of Sappho.[5]
The ancient Greeks did not conceive of sexual orientation as a social identifier as Western societies have done for the past century. Greek society did not distinguish sexual desire or behavior by the gender of the participants, but rather by the role that each participant played in the sex act, that of active penetrator or passive penetrated.[5] This active/passive polarization corresponded with dominant and submissive social roles: the active (penetrative) role was associated with masculinity, higher social status, and adulthood, while the passive role was associated with femininity, lower social status, and youth.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece
Here is something else interesting;
http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-marriage.html
Apparently in egypt their is evidence of same sex marriage.
Ancient greece allowed it as described by plato.
The roman empire as well.
etc.. etc..
So same sex union is not limited to Sodom or modern day america. It's existed throughout history. There is nothing new under the sun.
Gina:
I was at my favorite restaurant here (AnQi! I love that place!) and I was eating dinner with my friend Gail and telling her everything I'm telling you and I could see this man out of the corner of my eye who was seated at the table next us with his female friend or wife--he was trying to pretend like he wasn't listening in on my conversation, but it was apparent he was enthralled. After I finished the story, I went to pull my lipstick out of my purse and it slipped out of my hand and fell on the floor at my feet, and the guy (who was listening to my conversation) saw it, gets up, immediately grabs it and hands it back to me with this really warm smile -- "here you are, miss." It was as if he was saying thank you to me, as if he was relieved to know that Jesus' appearing would be soon.
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