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Not easy for the Elect, and also not easy for the many
levycarneiro:
--- Quote from: Game Over on December 10, 2012, 07:05:41 AM ---Lots of a great replies here.
It is the exact same fire; however, it will be harder and more severe for the wicked to go through the fire simply because they are not at all willing to forsake their wicked thoughts and ways. When God knocks on their "doors," they don't open. They don't say, Come in and let's eat, I want to hear what you have to say. They will run the other way (much like a child will do to their parent when they're caught doing things they shouldn't). So judgment and chastening is the same for both the wicked and the just but it will only be more severe because there will be so much resistance coming from the wicked, but it is the exact same fire. There is a proverb (and I can't remember which one it is) that says it is an evil thing for the wicked to give up his ways. And that's the only reason why it will be harder for them; not because their sins are so much more vile than anyone else's because they really aren't. You break one law you're guilty of all.
And that makes me think of how Abraham was instructed by God to take his son Isaac to be sacrificed on the altar. What a horrifying thought. Imagine being obedient to that command when it comes to your own child. Geez, the thought of that freaks me out! It's one thing if the child is someone you don't especially like, but how obedient would you want to be to that command when you're son is completely innocent? Geez. But then God provided Abraham the sacrifice and Isaac wasn't sacrificed after all. So while Abraham was willing to be obedient to God's command, God already had in place a sacrifice--a propitiation.
We have propitiation for our sins, and not only ours but for the whole world! But "Christians" don't like the sound of that. They don't like that Christ died for the world of unbelievers too! That's an evil thought that "christians" will have to forsake and bitterly repent of one day and it will be very hard for them to give that up. And it's going to be total torture for them. Maybe just as hard for them as it will be for Hitler to forsake his ways in thinking that he is better than the people he murdered. Because after all, don't Christians believe they're better than Hitler? They don't see that except for a few minor changes they would have done the same things that Hitler did. Just because Hitler and his ilk will be saved, doesn't mean that they're "deserving" of salvation, but that if they are not saved by God, then that will make God out to be a total failure! Is that what they want? A failure for a god? Many christians, like myself, go through this evil thing where we think, Hmmm... I don't want him in my club because he doesn't think like me....
But they never stop to consider that one "day" they will think like them. We will be like-minded when God is all in all.
That doesn't mean we have to be all "huggie huggie and kissy-face" with the Hitlers of the world, because that is not what God commands.
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Hello Gina,
thanks for your observations. I highlighted some parts in bold, things that helped me understand what the many will have to go through during that Day.
Sometimes I also wonder that the Elect now being perfected is one thing, we have some "time" to get used to the revelations of truth God is giving to them. Now, the many later, will have to go through some time or duration of Judgment, but nobody knows how much time this is. It might well be 1 minute, so imagine the torment all of this would be.
God bless,
Levy
levycarneiro:
--- Quote from: Michael on December 22, 2012, 08:28:37 AM ---Hi again Levy,
I don't know if you got your answer yet, but I ran across this last night from Part 1 of the LOF series, in the "God IS this lake of fire!" section.
http://bible-truths.com/lake1.html
"God doesn’t change. He will use the same method in the day of judging at the white throne as He uses on US. Although the intensity will get considerably more severe for those who blaspheme till the end."
Ray did not give scriptural reference, but I'm sure he knows what he's talking about..
Mike
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Hello Mike,
thanks for the excerpt. Personally I'm keeping this subject in the back of my mind for further study. For now - like some computers are fond to say: "there's not enough data" :) (at least in my view, and to my knowledge, of course)
Maybe my original question is simply not the right question, which requires some more knowledge on my part.
God bless and thanks,
Levy
Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote from: Levy on December 22, 2012, 04:24:10 PM ---
Maybe my original question is simply not the right question, which requires some more knowledge on my part.
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The correct question is the one that looks for God.
The answer to THAT question, is beyond words!
We're all in the same boat Levy. lol
Arc
levycarneiro:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on December 23, 2012, 12:20:02 AM ---
--- Quote from: Levy on December 22, 2012, 04:24:10 PM ---
Maybe my original question is simply not the right question, which requires some more knowledge on my part.
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The correct question is the one that looks for God.
The answer to THAT question, is beyond words!
We're all in the same boat Levy. lol
Arc
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Roger that, thanks Arc :)
Gina:
haha, You know what, Levy. I think you're smart to keep this one in the back of your mind. I don't know if judgment on the many lasts 1 minute in the LOF for some (certainly Christ said that those who knew the Father's will and did not do it but began to beat the menservants,etc., would be receiving many lashes--in a mere minute? don't know), or if their judgment will last the equivalent of an entire lifetime as "an experience of evil" -- I mean how much experience can you ascertain in one minute? I guess when I think of the "day" of the Lord, then I don't think in terms of a literal "day" but in terms of an era. Paul was the worst sinner there was and yet he was hounded by a messenger of Satan to buffet him (but then again that was to keep him from getting too puffed up with the revelations he received -- as he was puffed up on the Road to Damascus, not because he was being judged or maybe it was because he was being judged, I don't know). Paul, when, confronted with a man in his church in Corinth who was committing incest, chided the Corinthians for in essence wrapping their warm loving arms around him and not judging him (by putting him out of their presence) to learn not to do those things and then after he learned he could be brought back. Would throwing a man like that out for a whole minute change his ways?
This is not to say that I'm any better than the man spoken of.
Even Jesus said:
Why do you stare from without at the speck in your brother's eye
I myself would not be too quick to throw the man committing incest out of the church -- considering the huge beam of timber in my own eye.
Maybe that's where the Corinthians were coming from, and Paul turned around and said, No! Uh-Uh! Get him out!
For a minute? I don't know. I just don't know.
If you find out the answer let me know.
Meantime, I'll just be over here trying to get this HUGE plank outta my own eye.
;)
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