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John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on December 18, 2012, 12:27:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: AwesomeSavior on December 14, 2012, 05:07:33 AM --- As someone has pointed out, Paul was taken to the third heaven and shown things that he could not repeat. As a result of such revelation knowledge,
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Correction - this was not Paul this was someone Paul knew..
2-Corinthians 12-1
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven".
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It was Paul. Paul was being modest in not directly mentioning himself.
Much was revealed to Paul. If you throw in the Book of Hebrews, Paul was used to write half the New Testament. Paul suffered a lot. Much was given to Paul, much was expected.
mharrell08:
The one absolute that we all agree on is The Salvation of all Mankind. We can all give our thoughts on who/what/where/when/how we think this will be accomplished but what's most important is that we know it will be accomplished.
I don't say that to discount what God has shown any of you, whether through BT, group, or self study. The Father teaches in parables then uses other parables to explain the first parables. Whether we can agree on all these riddles is not as important as the one truth of all being saved. It's the one doctrine that I know for a FACT has changed every person's life that's come through BT, past and present members.
Thanks,
Marques
P.S. I include God being all sovereign within the salvation of all...it's the only way all being saved is possible. :)
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Kat on December 18, 2012, 08:58:45 AM ---
Hi Craig,
You makes some good points. One thing I have read on here many times is something like, 'we don't/can't really know this or that' or 'the Scripture is silent on this or that.' What I would like to say is that none of us can really say that about the rest of us here, not really. I mean each of us are differing point of study and understanding, so then there are some who have come to a greater understanding than others... if any of us have gained some knowledge beyond what is available here then we can't share it.
I'm not advocating that we open up the forum for others teaching. No. I'm just saying nobody can say what others here know or don't know. I hope that there are those here that are continuing to grow, even beyond what is here... why should we be limited to this, even as much as it is? The Spirit indwelling is not limited, praise God!
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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I agree with you Kat in that we must continue to grow in grace and knowledge.
Jesus through His Spirit leads each of us individually.
The Spirit is like the wind, like moving water. It is a moving, active, living force. If we stop moving, learning, and growing; we die.
Ian 155:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on December 18, 2012, 02:48:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on December 18, 2012, 12:27:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: AwesomeSavior on December 14, 2012, 05:07:33 AM --- As someone has pointed out, Paul was taken to the third heaven and shown things that he could not repeat. As a result of such revelation knowledge,
--- End quote ---
Correction - this was not Paul this was someone Paul knew..
2-Corinthians 12-1
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven".
--- End quote ---
It was Paul. Paul was being modest in not directly mentioning himself.
Much was revealed to Paul. If you throw in the Book of Hebrews, Paul was used to write half the New Testament. Paul suffered a lot. Much was given to Paul, much was expected.
--- End quote ---
2Co 12:5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. :-X
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on December 19, 2012, 03:19:03 AM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on December 18, 2012, 02:48:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on December 18, 2012, 12:27:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: AwesomeSavior on December 14, 2012, 05:07:33 AM --- As someone has pointed out, Paul was taken to the third heaven and shown things that he could not repeat. As a result of such revelation knowledge,
--- End quote ---
Correction - this was not Paul this was someone Paul knew..
2-Corinthians 12-1
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven".
--- End quote ---
It was Paul. Paul was being modest in not directly mentioning himself.
Much was revealed to Paul. If you throw in the Book of Hebrews, Paul was used to write half the New Testament. Paul suffered a lot. Much was given to Paul, much was expected.
--- End quote ---
2Co 12:5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. :-X
--- End quote ---
This a very, very minor matter. It was Paul who received the visions and revelations. He was countering false apostles who talked about their spiritual visions. Paul didn't like to boast about himself, so he used a literary device of speaking in the third person about the visions that Jesus gave him.
If you really want the truth about this minor point, then read down a little further to 2 Corinthians 12:7, where Paul states he was the one who received the revelations, and God gave Paul a "thorn in the flesh" so he wouldn't be exalted above measure.
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