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levycarneiro:

--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on January 01, 2013, 09:30:57 PM ---
Yes this topic hits close to home for me because I have to stand by all too often and watch mis information spread and people talk bad about phycisians and avoid the Dr.'s like a plague yet they would willing jump into the arms of the uneducated unknown pseudo scientific community of the internet for help. They think they've found a youtube video that sounds smart so suddenly they are experts on the matter (NO i'm not refering to the hydrogen peroxide video posted in this thread but I am skeptical of that as well. I was refering to another video posted on this forum about science and medicine not too long ago.) Well, I won't stand idly by while my brothers and sisters are deceived.


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Hello Alex,

on that video you mention here from the other not old thread, there's a lot, a real lot, of science-backed literature, including some books that were mentioned in the same thread and many others not mentioned there. So if the initial video, made by a comedian, it's a stumbling block for anyone to wake up to some truth, that's totally another problem. One other guy, of a non medical profession, a journalist, wrote one of the most innovative and investigate books on diet of recent history that debunked many myths (good calories, bad calories) to those that search for the truth. So what's the truth? Medical truth only comes from medical doctors? No, they come from science. Whether this science comes from a comedian, a journalist, or a programmer.

- sometimes people from outside of any field can improve that field while people from inside can't for many different reasons.
- if someone is presenting something that is truth, that is science-backed, it doesn't matter for me if that person is a comedian or any other profession. Reasons made that that person went further in search of truth in any field that others just didn't care about.
- if something is truth, a comedian or a clown will not make it be a lie. On the contrary, by other authors, studies, books, you will see it proven true time and time again.
- not all of us here (or any one) are so naive to just think "omg, this video is awesome" when one sees a smarty-pants video on the internet. If one video really makes sense, we non-doctors research it a little more, and a little more, until we have evidence, and assurance it's truth.

On the negative view of the medical profession, it might just be that it's hard to find a good and evolving doctor. How many times did people here go see doctors that are just "basking in the sun" of their profession? How many are just concerned with the next Medical Seminary in the Caribbean? I know this is all stereotypes, but the truth is: it's really hard to find good doctors these days, so we patients are doing a lot of legwork in researching new things that doctors are not even aware they exist. I know this for a fact, not only in Brazil but in the US too.

Just some ramblings on my side of the story as a patient :)

God bless
Levy

Michael:
So what you are telling me is that as God's truths are to us in religious matters through his spirit and not the studied theologians that so too is the herbal remedies and internet websites with their pseudo science and misinformation to modern medicine?
No
So what you're saying is herbal remedies are like God's spirit and His truths and that modern medicine and educated physicians on natural matters (which require no spiritual understanding mind you) are like the blasphemous and damnable theologians? Really?
No

In medicine, you have the informed studied physician and scientific research verse the unsupported and often times uneducated opinions of individuals on the internet both attempting to address a matter entirely carnal and physical. On the other hand, in religion, you have God's Truths which can only be revealed to people by His spirit because the phsycial and natural man cannot recieve these things on his own, they are foolishness to him.

Sorry, that's not what I was saying.
Did you look at the Vitamin C paper I linked? Did you see the references at the bottom which included the researcher and the journal, (sometimes a medical journal), that published said research?

While I thank you for your kind words, this opinion and view point has always been very stupid to me.


It's so easy to say the things you do when you havn't studied the human body, bacteria, molecular biology, organic chemistry and viruses etc... etc..

Fair enough, but I'm a simple operator of optical fiber machines which our learned engineers can't run even though they are the ones who wrote the running instructions....and no, I'm not equating what i do with the practice of medicine.

I'm in no way boasting but apparently a dose of reality is what people need. I wish people would have a reality check and stop and think for a minute about what it is they think they know so much about and why it takes 12+ years to become a physician if , and that's a big if, all the pieces fall into place perfectly. For the majority of physicians, it takes many more years than just 12 to even be able to adequately treat hurting and sick people. But by all means, please, google your way to killing viruses. Achieve what the medical field seaks so desperately to do in all its years of existance in your tiny life span.

Maybe people should humble themselves and stop being so stubborn and pretending to be experts on every matter and maybe just go in and see a phycisian?
I never said I was an expert. I did say there may be alternatives to synthetic pharmaceuticals.

The world isn't full of bad Dr.'s and in fact, I will argue, they are a small minority. If you have a negative view of the medical field than you need to set aside your pride and arrogance and re-examine why you feel that way.
I'm sorry, it's neither pride nor arrogance. It's from watching 2 parents, and some others, slowly dying of pharmaceuticals and being slaves to the medical industry with all of their expensive tests that had nothing to do with the illness...not even remotely. They were simply money making tests. Funny how, in one case, all of the tests stopped when Medicaid stopped. It would take too long to go into the details, so I won't. I prefer not to be a slave to the medical industry. I don't want to have to schedule my life around doc appointments that may or may not help. But that's just me. I suppose that if I came down with a life threatening illness, or broke a bone, I would reconsider my position, but my 'advice' as it were, was not concerning life threatening illness. I am not suggesting that Physicians in general are bad, but I think it the laws and legal guidelines and Hospital bottom lines may compromise a Physicians work.

Dr's aren't Jesus and they can't raise the dead and they certainly cannot help those whom God has planned must go at this time or that time. All we can do is pray to God to have mercy on us and use us as vessels of healing through which He may be glorified and a person's life extended. Ultimately, we are all dying. We were dying the minute we were born.

Yes this topic hits close to home for me because I have to stand by all too often and watch mis information spread and people talk bad about phycisians and avoid the Dr.'s like a plague yet they would willing jump into the arms of the uneducated unknown pseudo scientific community of the internet for help. They think they've found a youtube video that sounds smart so suddenly they are experts on the matter (NO i'm not refering to the hydrogen peroxide video posted in this thread but I am skeptical of that as well. I was refering to another video posted on this forum about science and medicine not too long ago.) Well, I won't stand idly by while my brothers and sisters are deceived.
I agree that the there is a lot of bad information out there.

I know vitamins are good for you, this isn't about vitamins. The human body is very complex but like I said, wax in the ears or charcoal in the stomach isn't going to fix Dennis viral problem and issues of vertigo. This is an middle/inner ear issue and as he stated viral as well.

God be with you,

Alex

And with you,
Michael

Michael:
Oh, and Alex,

I sincerely apologize for having marginalized the Medical Profession in such a way as to have you come to it's defense. I did not mean to paint my disdain of it with such a wide brush.
I also apologize if you thought the scripture I quoted was meant as more marginalization. It was only to show that, in those 2 cases, a natural product, wine in this case, can help with small illness.....plus I think that people would prefer wine over say, Pepto-Bismol.

Take care,
Mike

Dennis Vogel:

The baby and her mother both had the flu shot a few months ago. Doctor said this is another strain. The baby is much better. She just coughs a little now.


--- Quote ---"During a lecture, I said, "If you are using aspartame (NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc.), and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasm, shooting pains, numbness in your legs, cramps, vertigo, dizziness, headaches, tinnitus, joint pain, depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, blurred vision, or memory loss-you probably have 'Aspartame Disease'. "
http://preventdisease.com/news/10/042010_ms_lupus_aspartame.shtml

Some general ideas concerning Vertigo, including a blurb about artificial sweetener. Also some thought that Niacin may help relieve Vertigo.
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I have not used aspartame since the 1980's when it gave me tipple vision. I cannot tolerate any artificial sweeteners.

I have Niacin and I use it from time to time to lower my blood pressure. I'll try it tonight. Thanks.

The dizziness has not lessened, if anything it has increased, but the severity is not as bad. But I think it because of the flu.

I think this has something to do with pressure in my head. The coughing started and as soon as it stopped I get really dizzy for 10-15 seconds. I've determined not to cough. But I have coughed enough that my ribs and stomach mussels are very sore.

Gina was correct about the alcohol. I got some drops for swimmers ear and it is 95% Isopropyl alcohol and 5% glycerin. Have not tried it yet.

Alex, as I've said I have an appointment with a specialist in 9 days.

When it comes to doctors I think we need to strike a balance between common sense and trusting God. If a doctor can help then use him/her. There are many children in cemeteries whose parents thought they were trusting God to heal their child. J.W.'s come to mind.

I've been using activated charcoal to settle my stomach for quite a while. I know it works for that anyway.

I have been taking this heavy duty Vitamin C for a few months:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CD9XGC/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00

Michael:
Coughing fits make me quite dizzy as well. I hope that is part of your problem because the solution is simple...stop coughing, Lol..

That vitamin C is very expensive for 30 doses. If you have a moment to read the paper I linked to, they used intravenous ascorbic acid, (vitamin c), but in other papers, the use of oral ascorbic acid worked fine. It was the therapeutic, (high), dosage that helped, not the type of C. If that brand works for you, carry on. If you would like a less expensive C, I use this.
http://www.amazon.com/NOW-Foods-Vitamin-C-1000-Capsules/dp/B0013P1GGI/ref=sr_1_2?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1357095261&sr=1-2&keywords=now+foods+vitamine+c
You can always increase the dose to equal the strength of your current and still be cost conscious.
http://www.doctoryourself.com/oral.html


--- Quote ---When it comes to doctors I think we need to strike a balance between common sense and trusting God. If a doctor can help then use him/her. There are many children in cemeteries whose parents thought they were trusting God to heal their child. J.W.'s come to mind.
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Agreed.

I wish you well,
Michael

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