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mongoose:
I used to go to bed every night being terrified that this was the end of the world and that the "Rapture" was at hand (I was convinced I was going to be "left behind"...after all, I'm no better than the other sinners who I was told would be left).  What gave me peace...knowing that the "rapture" was false and knowing that if, and when, the world does end, we get to be with God.  I don't worry about the "end time" anymore.  When I get scared about this now, I try to remind myself that the "end time" just means the time when all will be reconcilled to God.  And that makes me happy and gives me peace.  All our doubts and sufferings will be over, our salvation will be at hand, we get to finally be with God, and He will wipe away every tear.  How awesome is that!   ;D 

And I love what Gary said: 

--- Quote from: orion77 on July 27, 2006, 01:22:55 AM ---These days, I think it is important to focus our attention on the fatherless and widows, and the downtrodden, for these are the people we are, if we are honest. And I know you are, from your posts.

This world, and the cares of it, is not what will be in the future. But mercy, forgiveness, righteous judgment, and love, is what we are to think of. These character traits simply exemplify the God, who we worship in spirit and truth.
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I hate to see the suffering and death and destruction...whether from wars or hurricanes or anything else.  It breaks my heart.  But I know that it is all going to be ok.  God is teaching us to love as He loves.  Instead of focusing on prophecies of doom, I've been trying to ask God each morning to help me to be open to whatever He wants to teach me that day.  To help me learn to be more like Christ and develop the fruits of the spirit.

mongoose

jerry:
I have'nt looked at the prophets as prophecies of doom and gloom in many years but have understood that tribulation is part of the process of the work God is doing in us,did I say somthing to made you think I did?Im sorry I did'nt make my post clear on that.I did'nt want of appear to be teaching but just shareing things I was studying,Should we think of Gods  judgement as gloom and doom or being a good thing,Revelations 19 chapter shows a lot to rejoicing over the destruction of babylon the great whoever she may be.I remember when my sister had her last baby in my house,how she screemed with the pain of giving birth it seemed to have gone on for hours and what really shocked me was the absolute joy and laughter and smiling she experienced emediantly after she gave birth it really seemed so unbeleavable to me,If giving birth is the symble of this life transforming into the glorious how can we block from our minds the things that God himself has put in order as part of the process of the glorious work he is doing in us good and bad.Ive had to go through a lot of pain,anxiety,fear,lonleyness,distress,rejection to gain the very small progress Ive made until now,want this whole world have to go through this same process? should we as Gods people Ignore it, is it possiable, or should we praise God,for me at least its easier to just except it that bad times are coming,but rejoice.isnt Gods judgement an good thing, Is this the proper attiude?...........Jerry   
 

orion77:

--- Quote from: jerry on July 28, 2006, 02:56:22 AM ---I have'nt looked at the prophets as prophecies of doom and gloom in many years but have understood that tribulation is part of the process of the work God is doing in us,did I say somthing to made you think I did?Im sorry I did'nt make my post clear on that.I did'nt want of appear to be teaching but just shareing things I was studying,Should we think of Gods  judgement as gloom and doom or being a good thing,Revelations 19 chapter shows a lot to rejoicing over the destruction of babylon the great whoever she may be.I remember when my sister had her last baby in my house,how she screemed with the pain of giving birth it seemed to have gone on for hours and what really shocked me was the absolute joy and laughter and smiling she experienced emediantly after she gave birth it really seemed so unbeleavable to me,If giving birth is the symble of this life transforming into the glorious how can we block from our minds the things that God himself has put in order as part of the process of the glorious work he is doing in us good and bad.Ive had to go through a lot of pain,anxiety,fear,lonleyness,distress,rejection to gain the very small progress Ive made until now,want this whole world have to go through this same process? should we as Gods people Ignore it, is it possiable, or should we praise God,for me at least its easier to just except it that bad times are coming,but rejoice.isnt Gods judgement an good thing, Is this the proper attiude?...........Jerry   
 

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Amen, Jerry.

Judgment from God is a good thing, for it brings righteousness, not of ourselves, but the righteousness of Him.  God knows me all too well, the suffering in this life has kept me on the right spiritual track, because when things are going all too well, the truth is, I don't think of Him.  This is something, for me needs lots of work.  It is easy to cry to our Father when things are rough, but to cry to our Father when things are good and smooth, this is another thing all to itself.

The suffering we experience in this life is nothing compared to what He has in store for us.  Looking at the lives of the prophets in the OT, the apostles, and even our Lord, suffering seems to be an absolute.  We all are in good company.

God bless,

Gary

Joey Porter:
I just thought of a verse that could possibly be in relation to this topic:

2 Thessalonians 2
11For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

Perhaps this "strong delusion" will consist of the middle east conflict causing all of the Christian world to get its sights focused on the things of the flesh, the fleshly Jerusalem, instead of the Jerusalem that is from above.

Chris R:
Hello,

Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin [US] , be revealed, the son of perdition;    Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.   Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?   And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.  2Th 2:3-6

This delusion is revealed in "our time"...and has nothing to do with the middle east,... it is the lie that we posess this imaginary thing called "free will".

There are hundreds of scriptures that describe our "falling away"...this is just one.
Hope this helps

Chris R

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