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Does Anyone Else See This?
Dan:
Jud 1:23 But save others from the fear, snatching them out of the fire, hating even the garment being stained from the flesh.
this verse is facinating when translated properly.
But Almost every "Babel" (confused language) english language translates this verse "save others with fear"
as if we are supposed to go around preaching FEAR of eternal torment in fire.
But its actually saying
Save others who are in fear!
en fobos = in fear , instruments of fear,
looking at 'fobos' in many other verses, denotes people who are afraid.
"hating even the garment being stained from the flesh" is also very interesting.
There is more information in Isaiah:
Isa 66:24 And they shall go out and see the carcasses of the men who have rebelled against Me; for their worm shall not die, nor shall their fire be put out; and they shall be an object of disgust to all flesh.
carcasses=peger
peh'-gher
From H6296; a carcase (as limp), whether of man or beast; figuratively an idolatrous image: - carcase, corpse, dead body.
worm+to-law', to-lay-aw', (3,4) to-lah'-ath
From H3216; a maggot (as voracious); specifically the crimson grub, but used only (in this connection) of the color from it, and cloths dyed therewith: - crimson, scarlet, worm.
Maybe More accurately:
and they shall go forth and look upon(remember) the image of the (man)beast, that have transgressed against me: truly the blood red dyed clothes(from crimson grub)(sin) ,will not stop being destroyed(put to and end)the Fire will not be quenched, the image shall be an abhorring unto all mankind.
All men will hate the image of man being in sin. And will no longer be any part of it.
Does this open a can of worms? ;D
Dan:
Jud 1:23 But save others from the fear...
BTW, we are to save those who are in fear of what?
What are they afraid of?
Why, its the one thing that almost all are afraid of, DEATH!
Almost everyone is afraid to die. Especially when death is near to them.
And the more in the world they are, the more they dont want to lose the life they have.
But everyone in Matthew 5, when faced with death, welcome it.
Ecc 7:1 A good name is better than good ointment; and the day of death better than the day of one's birth.
orion77:
Dan, that is an interesting connection.
The idolatrous images, being taught nowadays, has many caught in a snare. Thinking and believing that God will burn and torture people for an eternity, is it any wonder so many fear death! Worldly religion sure is a stumbling block for many.
(Gal 2:20) I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith toward the Son of God, the One loving me and giving Himself over on my behalf.
This above verse separates the carnal christians and the spiritual ones. When the Comforter, Holy Spirit, Christ is in us, the love of God puts on more meaning than just a word. It testifies to us, and is seemingly impossible for us to think, believe and speak that God would torture anyone. Hence, God gives us the desire to search out for His truth, and rewards us accordingly.
I don't mean to get off track of your post, but was flipping through the channels yesterday, and came up across Benny Hinn asking for one thousand dollar donations for a jet plane he wants to buy. He named the plane "Dove One". Upon giving a thousand dollars your name will be put up on a plaque in the back of the plane, so you can be close to him throughout the world in his ministry for Christ. I don't mean to be making fun or anything, but come on, what is wrong with that picture, and do people really fall for this? lol ;D
God bless,
Gary
MG:
With all this being said what do we do with 1 Corinthians 5?
2 Corinthians seems to be talking about this same brother being restored.
2 Corinthians 2
1But I determined this with myself, that I would not come again to you in heaviness.
2For if I make you sorry, who is he then that maketh me glad, but the same which is made sorry by me?
3And I wrote this same unto you, lest, when I came, I should have sorrow from them of whom I ought to rejoice; having confidence in you all, that my joy is the joy of you all.
4For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you.
5But if any have caused grief, he hath not grieved me, but in part: that I may not overcharge you all.
6Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many.
7So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.
8Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him.
9For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.
10To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;
11Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
Dan:
Nice post MG,
To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ
this verse says volumes.
It really is interesting how Pauls writings are misunderstood or perverted.
Peter tells us this is 2Peter.
2Pe 3:15 And think of the long-suffering of our Lord as salvation, as also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him;
2Pe 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them concerning these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the unlearned and unsettled pervert, as also they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Yea Gary, it is amazing how blind God has made people. Although I thought I had understanding, but was blind too.
Even now I only see through a clouded mirror, dimly lit.Just beginning to see His way is of Love and Mercy.
Here's another interesting concept. Remember those who are cast out where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth?
Psa 112:10 The wicked shall see and be grieved; he shall gnash his teeth and melt(melt with grief); the desire of the wicked shall perish.
After being blind, the wicked one will see! and when he sees, he will be terribly grieved.(seeing the sinful flesh) THEN the desire of the wicked(sinful desires) shall end.
The person does not perish, the sinful wicked desires perish.
Phi 2:10 that at the name of Jesus "every knee will bow," of heavenly ones, and earthly ones, and ones under the earth, (that covers every created being)
Phi 2:11 and "every tongue should confess" that Jesus Christ is "Lord," to the glory of God the Father. Isa. 45:23
Phi 2:13 for it is God who is working in you both to will and to work for the sake of His good pleasure.
Look at this friends!!!
Isa 45:22 Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by Myself, the Word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Isa 45:24 He shall say, Only in Jehovah do I have righteousness and strength; to Him he comes; and they are ashamed, all who are angry with Him.
Everyone will see!!, everyone will be saved!!!, everyone will understand and say- "only in Jehovah do I have righteousness and strength"
Rom 14:7 For no one of us lives to himself and no one dies to himself.
Rom 14:8 For both if we live, we live by the Lord; and if we die, we die by the Lord. Then both if we live, and if we die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For this Christ both died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord over both the dead and the living.
Rom 14:10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why also do you despise your brother? For all shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it has been written, "As I live, says the Lord, that every knee will bow to Me, and every tongue confess to God." Isa. 45:23
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