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Avidfisher:
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--- Quote from: Avidfisher on January 22, 2013, 03:04:09 AM --- Have been studying Rays work for quite some time now and the only thing I see he missed, or maybe he didn't, is that Satan is also a metephor, a metephor for the carnal mind..
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No, he didn't miss this issue and taught on it several times. To say that Satan is a metaphor for our carnal minds is to break the logic of Scripture.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11604.0.html and elsewhere.
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Sorry not convinced, I was surprised however with the comparison of physical things with spiritual things.
Kat:
Hi Avidfisher,
Here are a few places where Ray spoke on this.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1707.0.html ----
I am familiar with the "Satan is your carnal mind" theory. Just two Scriptures might help you understand this cannot be Scripturally true:
[1] Rev. 20:1-3--Is God really going to "bind the carnal mind of all mankind" for a thousand years, and then give it back to them once again? If no one has a carnal mind (sinful nature) how could they become sinful once again, and only for a short season?
[2] I Cor. 5:5--How can our flesh (sinful nature) destroy our flesh (sinful nature)? This is in contradiction to our Lord's statments concerning "Satan casting out Satan" (Matt. 12:26).
ALL THE SCRIPTURES must agree.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11711.0.html -----------
Let's try that on for size:
"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them" Job 1:6). So along with "the sons of God," there came "the CARNAL MIND." Whose "carnal mind?" Seriously, "WHOSE carnal mind?"
"And the LORD said unto the CARNAL MIND, Whence comest thou? Then the CARNAL MIND answered the LORD, and said...." (Job 1:7). Just who is this "carnal mind" which is speaking to God?
"And the LORD said unto the CARNAL MIND, Hast thou considered my servant Job...." (Job 1:08).
"Then the CARNAL MIND answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? (Job 1:9).
"And the LORD said unto the CARNAL MIND, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So the CARNAL MIND went forth from the presence of the LORD" (Job 1:12).
"And the CARNAL MIND answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life. But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto the CARNAL MIND, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. So went the CARNAL MIND forth from the presence of the LORD, and [the CARNAL MIND] smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown" Job 2:4-7).
That doesn't really work, does it? Imagine that "the carnal mind" "smote Job with sore boils? Oh really? I didn't know the carnal mind could do that.
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Let's try this one more time and see if your argument really works:
"Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Then the devil leaveth Him...." (Matt. 4:10-11).
COMMENT: "Are you sincerely questioning and/or asking me or anyone else to believe that what Jesus meant (in the "spirit") was: "Get you hence, MY CARNAL MIND: for it is written, THE CARNAL MIND shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only shall THE CARNAL MIND serve? Then THE CARNAL MIND leaves Him...."
One more GIANT point. If Jesus was referring to HIS OWN CARNAL MIND when He spoke to Satan, then we have Scriptural PROOF that Jesus had a carnal mind.
That then would mean that "Because JESUS CHRIST is enmity [hatred] against God, for He is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can [He] be" (Rom. 8:7).
I don't think you want to go there, do you?
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7162.0.html ----------
It really doesn't matter one way or the other whether Eve heard the serpent speak, or a voice in her head, or a voice from the fruit itself. The point is, she was tempted to disobey God's commandments, and she did disobey. Now then, let's use our mind for just a minute. If Eve's carnal mind told her to disobey God, then a few verses later we would have God Himself, first talking to Adam, then to Eve, and then to Eve's carnal mind. God would then put a curse on Eve's carnal mind, and tell Eve that her carnal mind would eat dust for the rest of her life. In addition, there would be enmity between Eve's carnal mind and the woman, and the seed of Eve's carnal mind, and Eve's seed, and Eve's seed would bruise the head of Eve's carnal mind, and Eve's seed would bruise HIS(?) heel. All of a sudden Eve's carnal mind became a "HE." It just doesn't fit, does it.
Better to just accept the Scriptures as they are written until an alternative can be Scripturally proven.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
onelovedread:
Maybe the Satan carnal mind issue should be dealt with in a different thread?
Avidfisher:
Thank you Kat for the friendly honest reply, I will leave it at that and let you all get back to your discussion, have fun you all.
Wonone:
Rhys!
> I was able to get Rotherham Emphasised Bible and The Emphatic Diaglott NT (1942), plus a number of others. Am a happy man! Thank you bro!
> That hijacking was a good trip! Some of these perspectives taught by Ray, literally take time to sink in. It takes some time to turn a ship around. Above all, I have come to see it all as being in God's watertight control! And God is Love!!!
Kat!
It was good to be again reminded of the overwhelming Scriptural evidence for God's use of the evil!
First time I heard it, I was not comfortable. Now I see it as 'just right'! All 'evil' works for a grand and glorious end, a 'designer label' end. And we are all on a 'designer label' journey! And it is truly revolutionary to see the world and the events in the world from that perspective. Even when we do not see, Love is at work. It is peace generating and fear conquering.
I do have another, somewhat related question (not so much WHO but, WHAT AM I?), but I will start it under a new thread..
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