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In relation to the coming of Jesus and the revealing of the man of lawlessness

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thewatchman:
Good. Because the way the conversation was going it sounded like you were about to talk about a future end time event and an anti-christ/beast character. It is not future tense. It is now. There are no second chances after death. Die to the flesh daily

Rom 8:7  Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Avidfisher:
  To say there are no second chances is contradictory to the message Ray was trying to get across over and over again.. If all mankind are saved(I speak as a fool), and Jesus is the Saviour of the world, then what is being missed out on any second chances.  Unless of course you're speaking of the sealed  144,000.

thewatchman:
once you are dead it's over. you can't become an elect if you haven't overcome in life. This is basic doctrine. Are you confused? and the 144000 is a symbolic number. not real people.

Kat:

Hi thewatchman you are right, but so is Avidfisher,

I think you are both right, from your own perspective.


--- Quote from: thewatchman on January 22, 2013, 05:07:02 AM ---once you are dead it's over. you can't become an elect if you haven't overcome in life. This is basic doctrine. Are you confused? and the 144000 is a symbolic number. not real people.

--- End quote ---

Yes these are 'the few' that are chosen to be in the first resurrection, first begotten in this lifetime in this age. But it is only a very few that are being prepared now, to be brought into the kingdom at Jesus Christ's return to reign with Him.

Rev 20:6  Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

Rev 5:9  And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation,
v. 10  and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth."


--- Quote from: Avidfisher on January 22, 2013, 02:55:58 AM ---  To say there are no second chances is contradictory to the message Ray was trying to get across over and over again.. If all mankind are saved(I speak as a fool), and Jesus is the Saviour of the world, then what is being missed out on any second chances.  Unless of course you're speaking of the sealed  144,000.
--- End quote ---

This is also true for 'the many,' the world, who will not be saved in this lifetime, in this age, no they will died never really 'knowing' Christ. But this is not their only "chance," even though they were not among the chosen few, the next age will be for their correction and purification. The 'many' will be in the resurrection to condemnation, but the few will serve with Christ to help bring all the rest of humanity, the many, to salvation.

John 5:28  Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
v. 29  and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

Mat 25:31 But, whensoever the Son of Man shall come in His glory, and all the messengers with Him, then will He sit on His throne of glory;
v. 32 And there will be gathered before him, all the nations, and He will separate them one from another, just as, the shepherd! separates the sheep from the goats,—
v. 33 And He will set, the sheep, indeed, on His right hand, but, the goats, on the left.
v. 34 Then, will the King say to those on His right hand: Come ye, the blessed of My Father! Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;

v. 41 Then, will he say unto those also, on His left hand: Depart ye from Me, accursed ones! Into the age-abiding fire, which hath been prepared for the adversary and his messengers;

v. 46 And, these, shall go away, into, age-abiding, correction, but, the righteous, into, age-abiding, life.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

thewatchman:
Ever the peacemaker eh Kat?.

You are right. He is correct that all men are saved. But in the aspect that he tried to correct me he was wrong, I made the assumption that we had all drunk from the same koolade jar. That we don't have to regurgitate the same truth 'salvation for all' constantly, and show everyone the same respect that they to know this truth already. We can then talk about higher things and truths. Is this not really the case? Must we keep quoting the obvious?  As you said, I wasn't talking about salvation, but election. And in that point, if we don't die to the flesh now, while we yet live then after death there is no second chance to make our calling and election sure. I see no point to even enter the race if I am not running to obtain the prize of the high calling. Maybe others don't share my goal. I only speak for myself.

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