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Ian 155:
Hi all ,Need some help here, Revelation chapter 2, Jesus speaking

Rev 2:1  Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

Rev 2:12  And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

quoting ray "THE REVELATION of St. John the Divine." But you see that title for this book is the invention of the translators. There is no such title in the Greek manuscripts. Now then, read the first verse of Revelation one: "The Revelation of JESUS CHRIST..."

Now the revelation was given to John by the father of/about Jesus right ?

Were the points raised in  Revelation chap 2 and 3 given to the Angel of the various churches ? or was it to the members of the churches ? If it was to the angel of the church mentioned, how was John going to communicate the message  ? The word says write to the angels, this does not make to much sense though. Is this a translation error ? existing in most copies ?

thanks in advance

Ian 155:
OK yes I have noted what Ray said and see that ,

So The Lord Instructs John to write to the angel or messenger so he the [angel] can take it [the message from Jesus via john] to the particular church [is this how u read it ?]

The seven stars are the angels given charge of the seven churches.

1Co 6:3  Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

on what, grounds do we Judge Angels [I was thinking this ties in with Revelation 2&3 as the 7 stars are seemingly overseers of the 7 candlesticks]

So as you can see this whole question of mine based on 1Cor 6v3 is not making sense  -

" there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ also comes into play" if it is directed at the church" Jesus did not come to judge - John 12 v47 John 8v15

Is there a better translation, as this 'like ray would say' does not fit hope you understand what i am trying to say.

longhorn:
Ian 155  You say " Now the Revelation was given to John by the Father of/ about Christ. "   No, the Revelation of Christ was given to Christ by his Father, to show his ( Christ) servants ( that being John and the Elect in every generation).  John symbolizes the elect.

Ian 155:
OK getting there - last one - these flaws Jesus is mentioning to the church they pertain to me,  most if not all.... you're saying this is directed at the false church only ? and not those in Christ ?

Ian 155:
Ta ,will do so

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