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Killing/Murder
Gina:
Maybe not physically, but then again, maybe we do --
1 Cor. 5:5
To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus
Gina:
But wait, there's more:
Luke 19:
The Parable of the Ten Minas
11While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once.
12He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return.
13So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.a ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’
14“But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’
15“He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.
16“The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’
17“‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’
18“The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’
19“His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’
20“Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth.
21I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’
22“His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow?
23Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’
24“Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’
25“‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’
26“He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away.
27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”
(note: Because this is a parable, I don't believe for a second this is a literal killing at all. )
darren:
Thou shall not murder. Not thou shall not kill. Am I'm splitting hairs? maby. If one finds him or herself that has to kill in order to save one self or loved ones form people who want to murder them i would say most would not blink an eye or think twice about killing some one if you and yours were in interment danger of being murder. Of course I only can speak of myself for sure. but I do suspect that most would kill in order to save their loved ones. Sorry I can not speak on the spiritual side of this matter I am not qualified.
Darren
cherokee:
Here is another email quote from Ray that may help.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6893.msg55008.html#msg55008
--- Quote --- COMMENT: You do not understand the 6th commandment. It does not say "Thou shalt not KILL" in the Hebrew manuscripts. It says, "Thou shalt not MURDER." Big big difference. Soldiers kill in war, they do not murder. Murder is the illegal killing of someone. When God told the Israelite to kill all of the pagans which were committing every conceivable kind of crime including burning the little children in fire, He was not telling them to commit sin. It was not a sin to kill these people at God's command, because they were not "murdering" them which would have been breaking God's commandment and which then would have been a contradiction.
--- End quote ---
arion:
I served in the military for 13 years and I always prayed that I would never have to take a life and I didn't. I took an oath to defend the constitution and with that the second amendment and as long as that doesn't compromise my walk with God I will continue to do so. I have a concealed pistol license and because of my job I am constantly armed. Although I am fully capable of taking a life it continues to be my prayer that I am never in the position where I have to do so.
However, I find myself changing on these issues in the last few years as God leads me. Under the old testament it was lawful to take a life for various reasons.
I.E.
Exo 22:2 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.
And yet we are no longer living under the old covenant but the new covenant. We know that the law is a hard taskmaster and that if we are truly in Christ we are no longer under the law. There are a few things in the New Testament that give us some hints as to what may happen to us as we progress in Christ.
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Luk 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
(If I kill my enemies then how am I loving them?)
Jas 5:6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
That last one is a big ouch. And then we have this question from Jesus....
Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
I 'fear' that in the future I am going to be lead to totally get rid of all of my weapons in order to walk these scriptures out. I am capable and trained to take a life but where I am at right now the only way I could is if someone was actively attempting to take my life or the life of an innocent other and if there was any way to absolutely avoid taking that life ( running away, ect) I would do so even if the law would allow me to take that life. This is all still a work in progress for me.
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