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[lareli]

Craig to answer your question, I don't know if deception is any worse now than at other times in history.. But one question I ask myself is, if I were being deceived right now, would I know it? No of course not.. I'd be deceived!

Only time will tell how and in what ways the evil of these days compare to the evils throughout history. I don't think that we posses the vantage point to be able to accurately judge our place in history.

We learn about Slavery all these years later and we all agree that it was an obvious evil. Although in that generation a lot of people, many of them christians, did not agree that slavery was evil. We can't honestly say that we would have recognized that evil had we been living in that generation. It would be like saying we wouldn't have eaten the fruit in the garden had we been there instead of Adam and Eve.

I wonder what people will say about OUR generation a hundred years from now... Maybe they'll say we were the generation that killed 50 million unborn babies, or we had a president who knowingly lied and deceived us into going to war and nobody fired him and nobody went to jail.. Who knows? I certainly don't.

[zvezda]

History proves that evil has been much worse in the past.  The difference now is the advent of news, internet and the population explosion.

The population grow is one thing, but don't forget, we don't just get the news from internet, it's also getting easier to do evil on internet. People can perform an evil act in 60 seconds without leaving their comfort home. From phishing to virus to bully to malevolence to porn to gossip to cheating in a marriage to false teaching to all kinds of criminal activities that you can imagine -- all happen on internet.
If you count all the evil deeds done on the internet, it could be a bigger number than the number of all the evil deeds done in history before the internet age.
Internet is a place for us to learn good and evil.

[jeetkunejimi]

Whatever happens it will always be under the will of God Almighty. Any circumstance that you find yourself in, having to make a snap choice in, God already knows what you will do and what the instigator would do. If we all went around respecting one another and listening and serving one another then there would be no need for this topic. The sad truth for now is that we don't behave towards one another as Christ asked us all to, by loving our neighbors.

If a child of God [we're all God's children] has become disturbed and angry and they attack another human being through frustration, etc, then surely it would make sense to learn self-protection in order to try to quell the situation and if physical harm has to occur then hopefully by meeting the future situation with well thought out preparation one will be able to do the bare minimum to negate the situation, keeping both parties alive.

It shouldn't ever be our intent to murder or to kill, but God knows our hearts and He will reconcile all things to him after this thing called life has happened to each one of us that He has deemed to exist. Many reading this may be murdering animals for food when by today's standards there is actually no need to, an animal cannot beg for mercy. Think about it... common sense should prevail when we don't have a scripture.

Today murder is still wrong but killing may be allowed under mitigating circumstances. No one in their right mind wants to watch a dog writhing on the floor in agony with a serious illness that it will not recover from when we can get a vet to, "put it to sleep" and put it out of it's misery.

Today many humans think that this should also be done for people who are terminally ill  if they so wish as they have potentially years of misery, pain, and a loss of self-dignity to look forwards to. It is only Christendoms thinking that stops this. It is appointed once for a person to die and if we kill them for a very good reason that of pity, mercy, then God still knows that that is the appointed time. God will not be fooled, it's all of Him. All we can ever do is our best towards what we know about Him. He is the judge, He will be all-in-all, and we will all be saved. Amen.     

[Kat]

It shouldn't ever be our intent to murder or to kill, but God knows our hearts and He will reconcile all things to him after this thing called life has happened to each one of us that He has deemed to exist. Many reading this may be murdering animals for food when by today's standards there is actually no need to, an animal cannot beg for mercy. Think about it... common sense should prevail when we don't have a scripture.

I do agree with your first comment there, we should never feel we are in a situation where we have to kill another person... God is always there, omnipresent and can intervene according to His purpose. As believers we should not fear death, as those that do not understand God's plan do, we know that this age is just the beginning. Certainly we would want to preserve our life or the life of another if we could, life and living is precious. But maybe it's not so much how long we live, but more about what character we do develop while alive?

But using the word 'murder' to describe the killing of animals is just not the right application for that word, murder : the crime of unlawfully killing a person esp. with malice aforethought. Animals have been given to mankind for food and it is not wrong to harvest/slaughter them for that purpose.

Gen 1:30  Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food"; and it was so.

Animals can certainly be abused and that is a disgraceful thing, but they cannot be murdered.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

[jeetkunejimi]

"I do agree with your first comment there, we should never feel we are in a situation where we have to kill another person... God is always there, omnipresent and can intervene according to His purpose. As believers we should not fear death, as those that do not understand God's plan do, we know that this age is just the beginning. Certainly we would want to preserve our life or the life of another if we could, life and living is precious. But maybe it's not so much how long we live, but more about what character we do develop while alive?

But using the word 'murder' to describe the killing of animals is just not the right application for that word, murder : the crime of unlawfully killing a person esp. with malice aforethought. Animals have been given to mankind for food and it is not wrong to harvest/slaughter them for that purpose.

Gen 1:30  Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food"; and it was so.

Animals can certainly be abused and that is a disgraceful thing, but they cannot be murdered.

mercy, peace and love."



With all due respect Kat, I didn't say that murdering animals if necessary is wrong, of course in certain situations and hostile habitats murdering animals with forethought is necessary and given to us by God but, and it's a big but.... most of us in the affluent West today do not need to farm and harvest on mass livestock solely for the purpose of binge eating. Livestock cause pollution and damaged rain forests, it is also horrifically cruel and brings out the worst in those humans that work in the trade at abattoirs. It always makes me laugh, (not) when people are outraged by Asians eating dogs by boiling them alive in huge pots, dropping a door over the top to stop them jumping out as they yelp and writhe in agony...  while obliviously chewing through their dead fried chicken drumstick that no doubt lived a life in total darkness with no room to move, breathing the sulphur from it's own feces, but because a chicken isn't a pet called 'Rover' that's alright then. There's killing and there's murder, and then there's the meat trade!!!   

[Musterseed]

Seven billion carnally minded beasts. That's scary Kat. Maybe a clash of cultures to come.
I pray I would never take a life. My faith and trust in the Lord would certainly be tested if I had to protect my grandchildren from evil, it's ingrained in most of humanity to help each other when tragedy strikes but survival of the fittest is ingrained in us also.  Peace🙏🏼     Pamela