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Being called out of the church
joyful1:
Sean,
I've thought and thought about free-will and God's will this past week--sometimes I go to the sink to do the dishes and think; "I really don't want to do these....what if I just leave them here forever? what will happen? will God FORCE me to do them? LOL....and crazy thoughts like that ...like....questioning exactly how this "non-free-will" thingy works. Do you know what I mean? The only way that I can know if its God will or not, is if it "comes to pass"....Do you see that? or Not? :::still thinking she can get away with not doing the dishes today!::::: ;D
joyful1
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: joyful1 on October 12, 2006, 12:12:56 PM ---Sean,
I've thought and thought about free-will and God's will this past week--sometimes I go to the sink to do the dishes and think; "I really don't want to do these....what if I just leave them here forever? what will happen? will God FORCE me to do them? LOL....and crazy thoughts like that ...like....questioning exactly how this "non-free-will" thingy works. Do you know what I mean? The only way that I can know if its God will or not, is if it "comes to pass"....Do you see that? or Not? :::still thinking she can get away with not doing the dishes today!::::: ;D
joyful1
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Hi Joyce,
If you had "free will" you could eliminate the dirty dishes just by willing it. You have the "choice" of doing them, leaving them, throwing them away, or paying someone to do them. But no matter what, you have to deal with them in some manner. The point is that we are constantly in situations we must deal with, we do have choices and make decisions but we cannot avoid the situations and must deal with the consequences of the choices we make. If you were to cut your finger while doing the dishes you could let it bleed, put on a band aid, go to the hospital but no matter what you have to deal with the bleeding finger, your "free will" is impotent in willing it to be healed. If you drive to the hospital and have a flat tire, you can get out and walk, take a cab or a bus, or you could change the tire, but no matter what you must deal with the flat tire, you cannot use "free will" to make the situation just go away. When you finally get to the hospital you see 20 people waiting ahead of you, you have the choice of waiting, turning around and leaving to try another hospital or screaming like a raving lunatic (my solution) to get prompt attention, your "free will" cannot change the circumstances that you are forced to deal with. Who is it that forces these circumstances? Who is the only one with a "free will" to change any circumstances at any time in any manner?
I hope this helps,
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
gmik:
What a great thread. I am learning so much. I too get mixed up a little on the "free-will thingy". Joe, good teaching on that.
About church, I sometimes go to see my granddaughter. I left the Babylonian system years ago-in the spirit. Is going into a building with a bunch of people-in the physical?? Just cuz they call it church doesn't mean it is. I do have trouble telling people what I am doing now-I mean those who know I was very involved in church. They also get suspicious of any Internet fellowship ;)
The Lord has us all in different places for our individual needs. I judge no one for going or not going. To me, worse than going to church, would be to sit and watch TBN ughhhhh......
gena
joyful1:
So in essence, Joe, what you are saying is this: we can make choices, but the things that God has purposed for us to experience, we will experience, one way or another?
::::looking around for a place to store those dirty dishes:::: ;D
joyful1
hillsbororiver:
Yes, Joyful1,
We are forced to choose by the circumstances God has set before us, we are being molded by Him, we are the clay in His hands. The clay has no power over the Potter.
Isa 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
Jer 18:6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
Free will is a myth, we can choose within the confines of the circumstances He has set before us, all of us will learn to make the right choices at some point, whether we like it or not, but eventually all humanity will come to love our Lord and His (and our) Father praising Him on bended knee singing the praises of God from our converted, incorruptable hearts.
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth, in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things in earth, and things under the earth;
I can't see any room at all for "free will" in the above verses.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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