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Matthew 16:19"
HoneyLamb56:
"and I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." KJV ???
Totally do no get what this verse is saying. Would welcome some insight from the sages of BTer's.
lilitalienboi16:
It might help to take a long at this from another angle, a more accurate literal translation may shed insight.
Matthew 16:19, “I will be giving you the keys of the kingdom of the heavens, and whatsoever you should be binding on the earth shall be those things having been bound in the heavens, and whatsoever you should be loosing on the earth shall be those having been loosed in the heavens.”
- Concordant literal translation.
Notice the PAST TENSE of "HAVING BEEN BOUND" followed by "whatsoever you should be binding" (ACTIVE PRESENT). A most peculiar statement indeed. The same applies for the next part of the verse as well with the "loose."
I did a quick google search and the words binding and loosed are;
Here is something interesting;
Greek #630 “apoluo” which means to fully free, to relieve, release, dismiss; and is translated to forgive, let go, loose, send away, set at liberty, divorce, etc. “Apoluo” is a compound word and comes from #575 “apo” (off and away, denoting separation, departure) and #3089 “luo” (to loose, to break up, to destroy, to put off).
Now what we find in that verse is NOT apoluo BUT "apo" and "luo." At least according to my google search. I'm not at my regular computer so I can't confirm this with my esword though I suppose i could google the greek for this passage and verify those are indeed the two words used here for loose and bound.
I was able to find this online as well and it may have truth to it. It seems to be a reasonable perspective on the matter.
"Phillips translation says, “... whatever you forbid on earth will be what is forbidden in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth will be what is permitted in heaven.”
The Phillips translation goes on to makes this comment, “There is a very curious Greek construction here, a simple future tense followed by the perfect participle passive ...the force of these sayings is that Jesus true disciples will be so led by the Spirit that they will be following the heavenly pattern. In other words, what they forbid or permit on earth will be consonant with the Divine rules."
Hope this helps, It's what I was able to gather with my non "sage" abilities.
If I was at my regular computer, I'd be tempted to search out more the usage of these two words and attempt to compare "spiritual with spiritual" because i'm sure there are other verses of scripture which would act as witnesses for us to better understand the passages. Maybe someone else has those passages or ideas.
God bless,
Alex
mharrell08:
It means the truth shall make you free. Jesus asked His disciples who people said he was, and the people didn't know ("Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets" - Matt 16:14). Then He asked them who they thought He was and Peter answered correctly ("You are Christ, the Son of the living God" - Matt 16:16).
The Gospel, the Truth, can make one free (John 8:31-33). Jesus gives the Gospel to His disciples to make others free.
Marques
Kat:
Here is yet another perspective.
Mat 16:19 and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou may bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou may loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.' (YLT)
Now compare that with what is said in John chapter 20.
John 20:21 Jesus, therefore, said to them again, `Peace to you; according as the Father hath sent Me, I also send you;'
v. 22 and this having said, He breathed on them, and saith to them, `Receive the Holy Spirit;
v. 23 if of any ye may loose the sins, they are loosed to them; if of any ye may retain (the sins), they (the sins) have been retained.' (YLT)
"According as the Father sent Christ" to forgive/remit sins... likewise "I also send you" (also John 17:18). I believe it is the 'sins' which they were instructed to forgive in this passage. So could Jesus have been speaking of healing in that verse?
Mark 2:9 Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, "Your sins are forgiven you,' or to say, "Arise, take up your bed and walk'?
v. 10 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins"--He said to the paralytic,
v. 11 "I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house."
Was Jesus saying here that healing is forgiving sin? And Jesus did command them to "heal the sick."
Luke 10:8 Whatever city you enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you.
v. 9 And heal the sick there, and say to them, "The kingdom of God has come near to you.'
We know that the Apostles did heal many people during their ministry.
Acts 5:15 so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them.
v. 16 Also a multitude gathered from the surrounding cities to Jerusalem, bringing sick people and those who were tormented by unclean spirits, and they were all healed.
Acts 28:8 And it happened that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and dysentery. Paul went in to him and prayed, and he laid his hands on him and healed him.
v. 9 So when this was done, the rest of those on the island who had diseases also came and were healed.
Mark 11:24 Therefore I say to you, All things, whatever you ask, praying, believe that you shall receive them, and it will be to you.
v. 25 And when you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive it so that also your Father in Heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
v. 26 But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in Heaven forgive your trespasses.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
"and I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
I surrender all 100%..............."...taking LEAVE of all his possessions." Jesus is not telling them in this case, to give away, or sell all that they possess,
but rather to be willing to forsake (maybe for just awhile) the pleasures of many possessions.Didn't Peter say to Christ
that "...we have FORSAKEN ALL" in Matt. 19:27? What was Jesus' reply? He said they would sit on twelve thrones
judging the twelve tribes of Israel. L Ray Smith Ref : http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12757.msg111880.html#msg111880
I say your full Name's
Repent for forgiveness of sins...............The reason that I want to talk about repentance is because repentance is a major door to understanding. I tried to understand many things before I truly repented.
Now, we repent in increments.Repent: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Ray_Repent 1.mp3 Transcript of a talk by L. Ray Smith about Repentance
7 x 70 70 x 7...................I have always said that God's Spirit is God. That what God does through His spirit is GOD DOING IT, and not someone else. The Spirit of God is not SOME OTHER PERSON, but God Himself. L Ray Smith http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?action=search2
in correct Hebraic name/s
Abba/Daddy Yahweh/Yhwh Elohim Yeshua Yahshua Yehoshua Ha Mashiach Joshua .....................Joshua and Jesus are the same name, and that’s why in the book of Acts you have it talking about Jesus, being back in the OT. No it’s not Jesus, it’s Joshua. That is a blatant error in the KJ, it has Jesus there, when it’s suppose to be Joshua.
Yehoshua comes from YWV. The Y is from the Hebrew 'ye,' but in Greek it becomes ‘ih’ it’s pronounced 'eeay.' V is the Hebrew is ‘shin’ which is the sh sound, but in Greek you just make it 's,' they have no sh sound. So you have 'ihs' and it’s ye-sh. The W is ‘vav’ it’s a u sound and in Greek it becomes ‘ou.’ So you have yehowshuwa yeh-ho-shoo-a or yehoshua, it almost the same thing. The 'ye' is a softer sound, but some say it is pronounced 'ya' with a j sound. Transcripts of Ray's Audio's and More Teachings / Re: Nashville Conference 2007
"Let this mind be in you, which was [is] also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant [slave], and was made in the likeness of men"(Phil. 2:5-7).
Now here we learn a little more of what this is about. When it says “mind” it is the disposition of God Himself.
Transcripts of Ray's Audio's and More Teachings / Re: Nashville Conference 2007 Audio 4/page 2
Lip service, can not bind on earth or loose in heaven ~ :)
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