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Did God forsake His Son in His last moments?
Gina:
Okay Marques.
Gina:
It's frightening to think that God might have actually forsaken His own Son, Newgene -- well, I don't know about how you feel about that, but that's me.
I just don't know what to think anymore. I mean, if God caused Jesus to say those words then maybe the obvious answer is He did forsake Him, but I can't argue with what Ray said either because I prefer to think that God the Father didn't forsake Him.
I fear this is another one of those idols of my heart, where I get so much like, "Oooo I have to be right!" haha! And I proceed to walk around for a few weeks - mood ruined. As embarrassing as that is to admit!
p.s. to Rhys. I forgive you!
newgene87:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on February 23, 2013, 06:42:19 PM ---
--- Quote from: " Shorty " on February 23, 2013, 11:00:45 AM ---Exactly. Why say it if it weren't true?
Isaiah 54:8 In a surge of anger I hid my face from you for a little while. But with everlasting love I will have compassion on you," says the LORD, your Redeemer.
It was only for a little while. I don't know if this verse is any help, but if God the Father was angry, He wasn't angry with Jesus because Jesus didn't do anything deserving of God's wrath. But I imagine if it is true, God was angered by what He had to witness was happening to His Son. I don't think He wanted to forsake Him but He had to in order for death to come. But it was only for a little while. And of course, we all know that He redeemed Jesus from the grave.
My 2 cents.
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That verse is referencing Israel, not Christ. Jesus was never forsaken.
John 8:29 The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things that please Him
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"And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son" (Matt 2:15) ="When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son" (Hosea 11:1) ---Now Matthew has some explaining to do....or he doesnt cause he understand a principle....
Just as i said once before, "Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind" (Rom 14:5)
Thanks for that Scripture Shorty. We'd be amazed that alot of the Scriptures that even the apostles used to "claim" fulfilled Christ, if we go back and the read the text, everytime it's either referring to Israel or the Leader of the Time (i.e. David, Moses, Joshua..). I believe 'our' Hermeneutics is the problem in every case, cause that's the only way to even see "universal" salvation through Judgment even from the Old Testament viewpoint.
"And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures" (Luke 24:44)
"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory" (Luke 24:25-26)
Again, thanks Shorty. That Isaiah 54 is just another scripture i never saw before, and using Paul and the Apostle's hermeneutics: there are alot of Scripture that Christ can "open our understanding" on and see it's applies to Christ.
thanks for everyone's viewpoint. thanks alot, i really appreciate it
Eugene
Kat:
Well I will offer this thought, Jesus was in the last moments of His life, He may have been feeling the very life draining out of Himself. Now all people go through death, but He was God, the very creator of the universe and He was full of LIFE that was leaving Him, certainly there was some anxiety in this very difficult period. I know He knew/understood that His Father did not, could not forsake Him, but maybe it was His actual dying and the LIFE leaving Him that was alarming. It seems He died very soon after He said that.
Mat 27:50 And Jesus cried again with a loud voice, and yielded up his spirit.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
newgene87:
--- Quote from: Kat on February 23, 2013, 08:07:21 PM ---
Well I will offer this thought, Jesus was in the last moments of His life, He may have been feeling the very life draining out of Himself. Now all people go through death, but He was God, the very creator of the universe and He was full of LIFE that was leaving Him, certainly there was some anxiety in this very difficult period. I know He knew/understood that His Father did not, could not forsake Him, but maybe it was His actual dying and the LIFE leaving Him that was alarming. It seems He died very soon after He said that.
Mat 27:50 And Jesus cried again with a loud voice, and yielded up his spirit.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Great Thought. Let me put as well, THANK YOU LORD FOR DOING ALL THAT FOR ME! :)
Amazing Love, Amazing Grace
Eugene
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