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Did God forsake His Son in His last moments?
G. Driggs:
Couple of different translations to consider. It seems to support what Kat was trying to say.
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour, Jesus cried out with a loud voice and said, Eli, Eli, lmana shabachthani! which means, My God, my God, for this I was kept! (translated by George Lamsa)
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour, Jesus cried with a loud voice and said, "God, God, why have you spared me?" (translated by LWM)
Matthew 27: 46. And about the ninth hour, Y’shua cried out with a loud voice and said, My El! My El! [Lemana shabakthani] Why have you spared me? (AENT)
"Father, I'm ready, why can’t we finish this?" Is what I'm getting.
Either way all good responses. Ive always wondered about this too. Thanks for sharing. :)
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: G. Driggs on March 01, 2013, 12:54:19 PM ---Couple of different translations to consider. It seems to support what Kat was trying to say.
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour, Jesus cried out with a loud voice and said, Eli, Eli, lmana shabachthani! which means, My God, my God, for this I was kept! (translated by George Lamsa)
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour, Jesus cried with a loud voice and said, "God, God, why have you spared me?" (translated by LWM)
Matthew 27: 46. And about the ninth hour, Y’shua cried out with a loud voice and said, My El! My El! [Lemana shabakthani] Why have you spared me? (AENT)
"Father, I'm ready, why can’t we finish this?" Is what I'm getting.
Either way all good responses. Ive always wondered about this too. Thanks for sharing. :)
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Thanks for sharing G! I think there are alot of great answers too! I love those scriptural pieces you've shared. Its amazing with time how we truly glean from God little things here and there that give us insight and depth into just who our God is. I see a God I can relate too just a little more as each day passes by.
God bless,
Alex
Greatest I am:
--- Quote from: Rhys on February 23, 2013, 01:22:07 AM ---From Ray’s emails:
I do not believe that God "turned His back on His only Son."
There are those who teach it, however. Jesus quoted the first few words found
is Psalm 22 which goes on to describe just Who the Messiah was to be and the
purpose for Him being crucified.
Jesus was telling them who the Messiah was. Hey chaps this is your Messiah you just knocked up on this piece of wood.
Lord not my will but Thy will be done.
The perfect sinless sacrifice for the world. How could you beat this sort of love.
Rhys
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That kind of so called love can be beaten quite easily.
A loving father would not demand his son's murder in the first place but he himself would step up if one was required.
God set the conditions.
As above so below.
How would you express your love if you decided a death was required?
Would you have your son killed or would you step up to fill your own requirements and demands for a sacrifice?
Should fathers bury sons or should sons bury fathers?
I think sons should bury fathers. That is natural.
Regards
DL
onelovedread:
Definition of forsake:
1. To give up (something formerly held dear); renounce: e.g. forsook liquor.
2. To leave altogether; abandon: e.g. forsook Hollywood and returned to the legitimate stage.
Romans 8:11 "and if the Spirit of Him who did raise up Jesus out of the dead doth dwell in you, He who did raise up the Christ out of the dead ... "
Acts 2: 24 "whom God did raise up, having loosed the pains of the death,..."
Seems to me that if "God had indeed forsaken Jesus", then God would not have raised him up from the dead, seeing that He had abandoned him or renounced him (left him altogether).
Kat:
Hi DL,
The sovereign God determined that He would put His creation through all this and then God Himself would come down and live among us and experience the same things that He requires of us.
But do not think that the Father just sent His son off to do His dirty work for Him?
John 10:30 I and My Father are one."
John 14:9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, "Show us the Father'?
v. 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
Jesus Christ was the perfect image of the Father, it's like the Father created Himself in a form that can be seen and heard, to represent Him perfectly in every way. But Christ had a beginning, unlike the Father, He came forth from the Father and so was not the Father of course.
John 16:28 I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father."
The Oneness that Christ had with the Father was manifold, is much more than just like mindedness. I believe the Father shared and experienced everything through Christ. So even though the Son is who they saw and heard on earth and the One that died (to become the first fruit raised from the dead)... His Father certainly went through everything that He endured and went through. The Father suffered, maybe not physical pain, but I certainly believe the Father suffered as much or more through what His Son had to go through.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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