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Ian 155:
Anyone know what Ray meant here while discussing Rev chap 13

approx  3/4 of the way into the paper lof 1

bob:
I have also been wondering what Ray meant by this statement. As of now I see 52 of us have viewed this post with out a comment. Those who were very close to Ray will probably have the answer. Bob   P.S. I hope, this has taken up too many of my limited brain cells already..

Kat:

Hi Ian,

First there is the comment you were speaking of. Then I have put several places where Ray spoke of what this 'buying and selling' was.

http://bible-truths.com/lake1.html -----------------------

Will people be literally tattooed with marks (bar codes, swastikas, Social Security numbers, implanted with computer chips or one of a hundred unscriptural marks being suggested by fundamentalist prophets) in their hands and on their foreheads so that men cannot buy or sell ice cream or automobiles without these marks? Self-appointed prophets of doom haven’t a clue as to what this mark of the beast really is or the number of his name. I have already been bared from buying and selling recently because I refuse to brandish this "mark of the beast"!

http://bible-truths.com/lake8.html --------

Jesus said that they "made the House of Prayer a DEN OF THIEVES"!

Say, did you notice that they were buying and selling "…in the Temple?" Do you think that just maybe this has anything to do with the fact that,

"…NO MAN might BUY OR SELL, save he that had the MARK OR THE NAME OF THE BEAST, or the NUMBER OF HIS NAME" (Rev. 13:17)?

We will cover the Mark of the Beast in a later installment.

But this is all ancient history, isn’t it? The modern Church of God has not been turned into a "den of thieves" has it? Were the High priests and Scribes, going against the law of either their own religious beliefs or of Rome? No. No, they weren’t. So they were not "thieves" according to the Church or the Roman government. But were they thieves, nonetheless? Yes, they were, Jesus Christ SAID THEY WERE THIEVES, a whole "DEN OF THIEVES"!

At least the modern Church of God is not a "den of thieves," is it? I’m sure not all; you can be the judge:

One of the major factors in the Reformation was the disdain over the practice of the Church selling INDULGENCES. The American Heritage College Dictionary, "indulgence n. 6. Roman Catholic Church The remission of temporal punishment still due for a sin that has been sacramentally absolved."

Make no mistake about it:

"For the love of money is the [Gk. ‘a’] root of all evil" (I Tim. 6:10).

Before the Reformation, it was thought that one could practically "buy" one’s salvation.

Jesus "CAST OUT them that sold and bought in the temple." Is there, "buying and selling" going on in the Church today? Excuse me…does a cat have a tail?



http://www.bible-truths.com/fools.htm  ---------------------------

Jesus said they were CRIMINALS! But woe unto me if I should suggest that this same buying and selling in the Churches today is criminal! It IS criminal, I assure you, it is CRIMINAL. And they do FAR WORSE in today’s churches! They not only sell trinkets and religious junk in the Church, they MAKE MERCHANDISE OF THE VERY WORD OF GOD ITSELF. THEY SELL THE WORD OF GOD FOR PROFITS! Here is what Christ said concerning their activities of buying and selling in the Temple:

    "And He taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the House of Prayer? But you have made it a DEN OF THIEVES" (Mark 11:17)!
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These words 'buy' and 'sell' are symbols; selling is when someone offers, hawks or dispenses something to others. As buying are those receiving or obtaining something from the one selling.

When we no longer buy into and agree with their traditions, dogmas, and heretical teachings of their religious system - Christendom - Babylon, then you do not have their mark/stamp of approval. You will be cast out, ostracized and accused of being heretics and they certainly will not allow anyone to sell the TRUTH to their membership.

Yes Ray was kicked out of the church and I think that is what he meant in that comment.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

arion:
I don't have Ray's exact quote about this but I know that I had saved it on one of my computers.

Ray said that he was looking for a room to hold a meeting and apparently he went to a few churches.  They wanted to see his 'mark'.  Did he have ministerial credentials?  What denomination was he?  Since Ray didn't have those marks to display they wouldn't rent to him.  It was something along this line that he meant.

Dennis Vogel:
I know exactly what Ray was talking about because I remember talking about it.

We run groups of ads on Google. I submitted a new group for approval and it got rejected. This group was similar to the other groups but the person whose job it was to approve or reject it did not agree with what our ads were saying and banned the ads. We were barred from buying those ads because of what we believed.

Being banned by Google is not entirely what the bible is talking about. But it could be a small part of it. We will not know for sure what it means until we see it begin to happen. Right now the best we can do is guess.

If Ray were here I'm sure he would agree there is much more to it than this one incident with Google.

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