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what did Christ die for ?
eagle:
To show us love.
John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Eph 5:1-2 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath
given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God
for a sweet smelling savour
ez2u:
so what about the spirit that lives within us not our soul or mind but spirit? because it is my thinking that after we die our body goes to the grave and our spirit goes to the Lord ,but what happens to our soul? our mind: feelings, knowledge? our love and bitterness etc
Kat:
Hi Peggy,
We have a spirit/"breath of life" given to us that gives life to the body, which makes us a "living soul." The soul is what the body comes to be with spirit/life.
Gen 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
When the body dies this spirit that has given us life/consciousness/awareness goes back to God (but now becomes un-conscious) for safe keeping until the resurrection.
Ecc 12:7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
So the body, as well as the soul (because it does not exist without the body), goes into the grave and returns to dust, disintegrates, is gone. The mind, is the brain and heart, it goes away with the body as well. When God puts our same spirit back into a new resurrected body, then we-the soul lives again.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
santgem:
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In my understanding,
Body + Spirit = Soul (old)
We will be given new spiritual bodies (I Cor. 15:42-54). Upon resurrection it will be YOU that are given immortality--the same you that died.
New body + Spirit = New Soul
New soul===} Glorious body + spirit(old)
remember that when you are in Christ:
Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.2Cr 5:17
But in your bitterness:
the wicked and unbelieving will be resurrected to JUDGMENT, and the wicked unbelievers with physical bodies to face Judgment
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:12
Greatest I am:
God is our master owner and creator says Christian dogma.
Do you think it odd that a master would die for his slave?
Slave owners of the past seem to be more inclined to live while allowing the slaves to die for them.
Owners tend to think that if they are dead that the estate will go to hell, so to speak and that is why masters would live and let the lower echelons die.
To believe that God died for us, we would have to wonder why God would condemn us in the first place knowing that he would have to die for us.
That makes no sense unless someone here can shed sense on this.
As above so below says scripture.
Would you condemn your children knowing you had to die from your own action of condemnation.
I think that would be quite insane and against scripture and justice.
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
God would not put the wickedness of others onto Jesus and thus punish the innocent instead of the guilty.
Your sins are yours my friend and there is only one way to atone.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Regards
DL
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