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Eve thought it was a good idea?
santgem:
I do understand all your points, but the law that i know in the beginning is this.
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
Gen 2:17
"Thou shalt not of it"
That is the law. The law which is available and stated from the very beginning, not the law afterwards, not the law after they sinned.
So after violating the law they did sin.
Dave in Tenn:
Santgem, "for we know that the Law is Spiritual..."
If looking on a woman to lust is committing adultery in your heart, then the 'looking' and 'desiring' Eve did BEFORE she ate is transgression. Lust of the eye, lust of the flesh, pride of life.
santgem:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on March 30, 2013, 02:13:55 AM ---Santgem, "for we know that the Law is Spiritual..."
If looking on a woman to lust is committing adultery in your heart, then the 'looking' and 'desiring' Eve did BEFORE she ate is transgression. Lust of the eye, lust of the flesh, pride of life.
--- End quote ---
I know that looking on a woman to lust is committing adultery in heart and that is a lust of the eye and lust of the flesh, and pride of life thinking that you will not die.
But the answer i am looking is the scenario that was happened from the very beginning. We don't know sin unless we know the law. If you violated the law then you sinned.
I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet."Rom 7:7
now, again,
"Thou shalt not eat of it" Gen 2:17
That is the law. The law which is available and came from the very beginning,the law existing from the very beginning, not the law afterwards, not the law after they sinned.
So after violating the law they did sin. Why? because the law which is existing and only law that i know from the very beginning is "Thou shalt not eat of it"
but of course the law is Spiritual........ :)
Gina:
--- Quote from: santgem on March 31, 2013, 01:15:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on March 30, 2013, 02:13:55 AM ---Santgem, "for we know that the Law is Spiritual..."
If looking on a woman to lust is committing adultery in your heart, then the 'looking' and 'desiring' Eve did BEFORE she ate is transgression. Lust of the eye, lust of the flesh, pride of life.
--- End quote ---
I know that looking on a woman to lust is committing adultery in heart and that is a lust of the eye and lust of the flesh, and pride of life thinking that you will not die.
But the answer i am looking is the scenario that was happened from the very beginning. We don't know sin unless we know the law. If you violated the law then you sinned.
I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet."Rom 7:7
now, again,
"Thou shalt not eat of it" Gen 2:17
That is the law. The law which is available and came from the very beginning,the law existing from the very beginning, not the law afterwards, not the law after they sinned.
So after violating the law they did sin. Why? because the law which is existing and only law that i know from the very beginning is "Thou shalt not eat of it"
but of course the law is Spiritual........ :)
--- End quote ---
Santgem, hi.
I see what you're saying. Because God didn't say, Don't look on the tree to lust after it in your heart, He simply said, Don't eat of it, that means then they didn't violate the law of sinning in their hearts/coveting since that wasn't God's command to them. He didn't tell them that they couldn't want to eat it or look on it to lust after it, only that they better not eat it. haha I totally see what you're saying now. But in retrospect we can clearly see that all the things that took place before they ate of it (looking to lust) was in their weak hearts which brought about their actions.
They were carnal. Just because they didn't know sin because they were not given any of the subsequent laws by God, doesn't mean they weren't breaking God's laws. God just simply hadn't told them about those laws yet.
See, what you're saying is: Because a baby doesn't KNOW (or hasn't been TOLD) not to grab another child's toy away from it and make it their own, that that baby did nothing wrong when it grabbed a toy away from another child and kept it for himself. It's nonsense.
Romans 5:13 To be sure, SIN WAS IN THE WORLD
B-E-F-O-R-E (before!) THE LAW WAS GIVEN, but sin is not charged against anyone's account where there is no law.
They weren't charged with the lust of their hearts or with covetousness, but to be sure, sin was in the world (and their hearts) before that law was given. Wow. Never saw that till now. So did they sin w/ the sin of lust and covetousness? Yep. They sure did.
Gina:
--- Quote ---The question is:
Is there already a law that makes eve to sin before she did eat the fruit?
What makes eve to sin before she did eat the fruit?
--- End quote ---
~Santgem
Not to harp on you, Santgem. I'm actually glad you're here because you brought up some great, great questions and I found new answers I never thought possible. But you asked, is there already a law that makes Eve to sin before she did eat the fruit. And the answer is in Romans 8:2: the LAW of sin and death, which Jesus came to free us from through the LAW of the Spirit. :)
God bless everyone. Just working things out. (And maybe I was a little bored. But Ray nailed it -- God saves us from boredom. Praise God! :) )
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