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Eve thought it was a good idea?
Gina:
I love Ray. He really makes you use your head. Ray is speaking to "a minor" in that email - a babe in Christ and therefore giving him the "milk" of the word. You don't give meat to a minor -- they will choke. Meat is for the mature.
From a relative standpoint, it certainly appears as if Eve "allowed" Satan to have dominion over her.
--- Quote ---One is the "relative" the other is the "absolute." One is from man's point of view, comparing men with men, the other is from God's point of view. One shows how a thing is perceived while the other shows how it actually is. One is for minors while the other is for the mature.
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Theologians are always taking Scriptures that speak of the relative, from man's point of view, and insist that these verses are absolute. By doing this they commit a double sin. Because then they insist that these relative truths actually nullify God's absolute declarations. They won't admit to this in their own words, but this is what they do when they retain the "relative" at the expense of rejecting the "absolute."
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Eve did not KNOW that she was being deceived. Ray said something to effect "Oh yeah, Satan, I'm totally deceived now!" as if to acnkowledge that there is no way she could have made any other possible choice but to "ALLOW" Satan to have dominion over her. So tell me how she could have allowed Satan to have dominion over her with her weak heart that God fashioned for her and being made subject to vanity, not willingly but by reason of Him Who SUBJECT THE SAME in hope (Rom. 8:20)
See, I get a little fired up because it's so ridiculous to say on the one hand we have no free will and no free moral agency and then on the other emphatically state, Eve "allowed" this.
Since God locks all up to disobedience (Rom 11:32), tell me how she "allowed" Satan to have dominion over her? She put Satan in the garden? She made him more subtle than any beast? She caused him to put her eyes on the tree? She "allowed" all of that? Well is she God that she could have caused things to happen differently?
( bible-truths.com/email2.htm ): Mar 20, 2002 – .BUT, NO ONE EVER goes against God's "INTENTION." There is a giant difference.
santgem:
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--- Quote from: " Shorty " on April 01, 2013, 12:58:26 PM ---Santgem, Eve "allowed" no such thing! She was deceived and tricked! But hey, I can't make you believe the word of God.
I know that she was deceived and tricked that is why she ate the fruit. What i mean is that it is not herself to allow the situations. Eve submitted herself to be deceived by satan, whereas God told them to subdued and to have dominion to all living things including satan.
Now satan have a dominion over them because they ate the fruit and they submitted themselves to be controlled by satan.
God told them to have a dominion to all including satan, and if ever Eve not to hear satan then she still follow God on the instruction to have a dominion to all, are you still following?
At that time when eve submitted to satan to eat the fruit will she not sin in submission to satan?
for the puzzle; :D
1. No, she did not sin before eating the fruit, no laws still violated.
2. Yes, she did sin because God instructed to have all dominion to all things but submitted
instead to satan to have dominion over her that is why she sinned.
3. None of the above
But in saying all that you've said, you admit and agree that sin was in the world before the law and they sinned before eating the fruit. So, that's good. We're on the same page. FINALLY! But those sins WERE NOT CHARGED TO THEIR ACCOUNT because the law re coveting/lust had not yet been given. Agreed :)
(It's like talking to a brick wall.)
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This is what i'm looking for; Thanks for pulling out Ray's view
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7232.0.html
COMMENT: No, that was NOT, "the first laws" or commandments. The first commandments of God to the man and the woman were:
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, [1] Be fruitful, and [2] multiply, and [3] replenish the earth, and [4] subdue it: and [5] have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
There are five commandments alone that came before not eating of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Now then, one of the categories of animals that "move upon the earth" is "serpents." They were specifically COMMANDED to "have DOMINION OVER....serpents..." Eve allowed the sepent to have dominion over HER. She BROKE the commandment of God and SINNED.
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