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accountable vs responsible?
Reg:
I understand that man has no free will...God's will reigns supreme whether or not we realize it. I have been reading in the lake of fire series that God is responsible for the sin because he created man to be flawed so God has thus provided a solution (Jesus-salvation of all).
I am having trouble understanding how man is accountable. Saying that we willingly sin is confusing since we have no free will..I looked up the definition for accountable and the definition includes the term responsible! What we do is based on or whole sets of history, environment etc. not our choice made from nothing but free will? So confused here.
Reg
Deborah-Leigh:
It's good that our Creator is CAUSING you to try to UNDERSTAND Reg. ~ :)
Those who truly, not flippantly, DESIRE to understand, are also CAUSED to experience the frustration of not knowing. The process of maturation includes coming to the realisation that there has to be something missing in the puzzle that makes the picture look confusing.
It happens to us all. It is in the process of our Creators design. Ray said that we are not stamped out like cookie's but through the furnace of pain, we are created. This is Judgement on the House of God now that is on you Reg. It is wonderful!
It is in the process of coming to that illusive comprehensive insight given by the Spirit, the Paraclete, that can show us and explain away all doubt, misunderstandings and confusion.
To answer your statement/question : What we do is based on or whole sets of history, environment etc. not our choice made from nothing but free will?...the answer is YES. Our Creator, Finisher of our Faith, provides each life its own unique set of "circumstances".
Paul said we are to judge ourselves.
Ray gave examples of PREFERENCES when he described one will like apple pie above cherry pie.
The key for me is in that word PREFERENCE.
A thief will prefer to steel rather than a day's hard labour.
A holy person who is beginning to see the Perfection in Christ, will PREFER to live in an honest way, observing the commandments of Jesus.
What you PREFER, is the barometer of your progress.
What you prefer governs your accountability.
You see, our Creator puts tests before us all the way! Your preferences will determine your choices and actions and how you conduct yourself.
Slowly, painfully, each comes to the point of changing our preferences and FOR THAT CHANGE, our Creator, is Wholly Responsible!
What you PREFER, SHOWS where you are at in your growing and being conformed to His Spirit.
Paul also illustrated this in his expressing lamentation in that he did not do what he wanted to do, but what he did not want to do. He declared his preference and at the same time his fleshy inability to change himself into what he loved and adored that is Christ Himself.
Arc
cjwood:
thanks deborah/arcturus. once again in following as the Spirit leads to post your words of compassion and maturity.
reg, accountability vs responsibility is a hard Truth for many to understand, much less accept. but it is in fact a Truth reflected in the Holy Scriptures themselves. it is a freeing wisdom. it is good to question and desire spiritual understanding.
claudia
Reg:
Very encouraging to ponder what you have said and it does make sense.
I'm wondering what Ray meant by accountable..I think maybe I found the answer but want to make sure I'm on the right track...
Here's the geek out (I will try to keep this concise):
The English word accountable seems to have come around during the 1400s and is synonymous with responsible-I'm pretty positive that's not what Ray intended when he said "God is responsible, man is accountable..."
I tried to find scriptures that talk of man giving an account (seems like a good place to find accountability)
Young's literal concordance to the Bible lists a few that seem to apply..
Page 11, account section 5-
Word, reckoning, logos
Matt 12:36 shall give an account thereof in the day of
Like 16:2 give an account of Thy stewardship
Romans 14:12 every one of us shall give an account of
Logos (found this on blue letter Bible I think)
A person sharing a message (discourse, communication-speech) is a broad term meaning"reasoning expressed by words"
From Lego-speaking to a conclusion
Hate to put Hitler on the spot but he is an easy example of a wicked person not saved in his life..
Hitler will be resurrected to judgment and the lake of fire (both being good things that the elect face right now). Ultimately Hitler will be purified and saved.. Maybe I'm splitting hairs here but I am curious about how this plays out...
So, Hitler was helpless in his life of sin..he couldn't change a thing unless God had wanted it so...when Hitler gives an account, does that mean that he will talk about what he did and why he thought as he did? Like, is this a learning experience for Hitler?
I could be way off here, but the accounting in my life seems to go hand in hand with the judgment..for example I get correction as I start to think or do wrong..or I start to go over my day and I can't even finish my "reasoning" before it's interrupted by a well placed chastisement. So is that what it means to be accountable for sin and is this the same process all mankind goes through in the resurrection of judgment?
Thanks!
Reg
Deborah-Leigh:
Reg
Repent means to turn around, to go the other way. Whatever you are doing that’s wrong and sinful and evil and carnal and worldly and everything else, you turn around, you 'repent' and you go the other direction. http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?action=search2
Accountability is for the ENJOYMENT OF sin, adrenalin rush, junky addiction of the lust of the flesh, eyes and pride of life.
Repentance, brings bitter regret and sorrow for having ever enjoyed wickedness in participation and association with evil.
Arc
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