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Will we ever see Our Heavenly Father
cheekie3:
All -
Will we ever see Our Heavenly Father.
We know that we will one day be like Jesus Christ - and see Jesus as he is now.
But when we are like Jesus - will we be able to see Our Heavenly Father.
I know Ray taught on this.
Regards, George.
Kat:
Hi George,
Here are a couple places Ray spoke of the Father.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=2324.0 ------------
Notice what Jesus said concerning His God and His Father: "...NO MAN knows the the Son, but the Father, NEITHER knows any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will REVEAL HIM" (Matt. 11:27 & Luke 10:22). Now then, with that in mind: "NO MAN has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, HE has declared [unfoled or interpreted] Him" (John 1:18). Did Jesus lie? Did Moses indeed see "God the FATHER?" Not according to the Scriptures: not according to Jesus His Son. Did the Apostles know anything about the Father of Jesus? "Philip said unto Him, Lord show US [all of us] the Father, and it suffices US" (John 14:.
The "LORD--Elohim/Jehovah/God" of the Old Testament was Jesus Christ, not Jesus' Father. And God the Father is SPIRIT (John 4:24), and INVISIBLE (Col. 1:15).
God is SPIRIT (John 4:24)
God is INVISIBLE (Col. 1:15)
No man has seen God (John 1:18)
No man ever heard God or seen His shape [Gk: 'nor a perception of Him have you seen]" (John 5:37)
Jesus came out from God (Rev. 2:14; John 8:42; 16:28; 17:5, 8, 24, Col. 1:13; etc.)
Jesus is THE LORD/Jehovah of the Old Testament (John 8:58; I Cor. 10;4; etc.)
Jesus IS A MAN (I Thes. 2:15).
God is NOT A MAN (Num. 23:19).
Etc., etc., etc.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=11859.0 ---------
So let’s think about this a little bit, who is the Father? In Him we live and breath and have our being. Liken the ocean to the Spirit of God, and liken us to the fish. The fish are 95% water, the ocean is in the fish, and the fish are in the ocean, get it.
A bird has very porous bones, because they have to be very light. It flies in the heavens, it breaths fast, because it needs strength and oxygen. So the air (which is like the Spirit of God, which is what he calls it in the NT, Greek word for spirit is pheuma), the expanse is even called heaven, where the bird flies, and liken the air to the Spirit of God. The bird has air in him and is flying through the air.
Now this is what the Scriptures say, we are in God and God is in us. So, get it out of your head that God is a man, sitting on a stone throne, like Abraham Lincoln in Washington D.C., an old man with gray hair. God is right here, it (Bible) says so, we have to just listen to the words.
God is Spirit, it also says God is invisible, you can’t see Him, not literally. We can see Him in Spirit, as in our heart, in our mind, our soul, our spirit, in our innermost being.
The thing that makes us different from plants and other animals, is we can see God. I’m trying to help you right now, to see God. So when you leave here, you will see God in a way you didn’t, when you walked in here. If God opens it up to you, I can only tell you, but God must open it up for you to grasp it.
God is here, not here because we are here, but He was here before we got here and He’ll still be after we leave. Because this desk is here and this desk has it's cohesion in Jesus Christ. It is through Jesus Christ that this desk holds together or it would fall apart. It takes energy and power, what is the source of the power, Jesus Christ, which comes from the Father and it’s passed off out of Him. One Father, one God, all and everything is out of Him. GOD IS ALMIGHTY!
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
lilitalienboi16:
I think I remember reading Ray saying, He doesn't think we will ever see the Father.
I remember being bummed hearing that line.
I just don't know.. right now, we havn't seen the Father or any of that jazz, we just know Him as Christ showed Him to us, declared Him to us, was His image etc.. but we havn't actually seen or heard from HIM.
I hope one day that will change but ray didn't think it would and I don't know if He ever went into great detail as to why. I can only imagine in "Solving the enigma of God," that he had plans to write about this and expound on why he felt the Father was someone we would never see, ever.
Dave in Tenn:
Acts 17.
I've had trouble understanding in past discussions on this just what do we think we will "see" when we see Him? Did Jesus reveal Him, or didn't He?
Also recommended reading. I just re-read this last night.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3720.0.html I'm not sure which 'audio' this came from. Maybe somebody else can link to it.
John from Kentucky:
Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us."
Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip?
He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? John 14:8-9
I and the Father are one. John 10:30
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