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Unequally yolked
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Nancy on November 03, 2006, 06:57:48 PM ---Hi there all,
I may be wrong but aren't our lives directed by God? St. Paul tells us to do lots of things but if God has an intention for our life, aren't we going to walk in it? Can we do anything that God hasn't already purposed for our life? I thought that there is no such thing as free will. Ray has a brilliant article on this subject.
To know that God has purposed our lifes for a reason must be a comfort to all.
God bless
Nancy
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So true Nancy,
Here is an excerpt from;
http://bible-truths.com/lake15.html
IT ALL STARTS WITH THE HEART
ALL have sinned because it takes SPIRITUAL POWER not to sin. And God did not give our first parents that kind of spiritual power. They were spiritually weak as water.
We read in Jer. 17:9:
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"
We know from Scripture that God "…creates EVIL…" (Isa. 45:7), but did He also create man’s heart in a "desperately wicked" state? No, He did not. God did not FORCE upon man, at creation, a "desperately WICKED" heart. Let’s read this verse from the Jewish Publication Society,
"The heart is deceitful above all things, And it is EXCEEDING WEAK—who can know it."
God did not create man’s heart "desperately wicked" as the KJV suggest, but rather He did create the human heart, "exceeding WEAK."
The seat of emotions and desires is the HEART. And God made the heart "exceeding WEAK." Man did not sin because he "freely willed" to sin, but because his heart was so exceedingly WEAK. That is why it takes next to nothing to persuade the heart of man to DESIRE SIN.
Jesus Christ Himself taught us that EVIL THOUGHTS, MURDERS, BLASPHEMIES, ADULTERIES, etc., all start, begin, originate, proceed, out from THE HEART.
Once the heart senses a feeling or emotion, it begins to desire something. These very thoughts of desire emanate out from the heart, seeking fulfillment. At this point in the process the will is manifested. It now becomes the driving force within you to accomplish the thoughts and emotions of the heart. The will is not the original instigator in this chain of events; it is not even the second in line, but rather the third.
The will of man has no power until first his heart DESIRES,
Second these desires are formed into actual THOUGHTS,
Then at this third stage the will purposes to find fulfillment for all that is coming out of the heart.
The heart played a huge role in Adam’s decision to also partake of the forbidden fruit. In I Tim. 2:14 we read this:
"And Adam was NOT deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."
Why did Adam sin if he was NOT deceived as his wife was? Again, the answer goes back to THE HEART.
Adam LOVED his wife dearly. He never wanted to be separated from her. But he knew that the wages of eating the forbidden tree was to be death. But did he fully comprehend all that death entailed? Probably not. But whatever the penalty would be or how it would be carried out, Adam knew that he did not want to be separated from his wife. Notice what He said to God:
"And the man said, The woman whom you gave to be WITH ME, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat." (Gen. 3:12).
Isn’t that interesting. Adam did not say: "The woman whom you gave TO ME." Or, "The woman whom you gave FOR ME." But rather, "The woman whom you gave to be WITH ME." Adam reminded God that He created Eve to be ‘WITH’ him, not apart from him. And if Adam had obeyed God, whereas his wife did not, he feared being SEPARATED from Eve. And so he also ate of the fruit and sinned, not because he was deceived as Eve was, but because he loved her in his heart so much that he couldn’t bear the thought of not being "WITH" her.
And so, did Adam "freely" WITHOUT A CAUSE choose to eat the forbidden fruit? What nonsense. Adam had the BIGGEST REASON in the world that CAUSED him to sin and remain with his wife!
So if you are looking for "free" will in the Garden at the time of our first parents' creation, forget it, 'cause it ain’t there!
Nancy, yes is the short answer, it is our desire from the heart to sin that makes us guilty. When we begin to truly despise our carnal nature rather than embrace it, it is then that His work in us begins to bear fruit.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Deborah-Leigh:
....after reading this tread I thought that too often we place the emphasis on US and THEM ie friends, enemies, family ties and commitments rather than us and Christ in HIS yolk. What I began to see is this. On the one hand 2 John 1:9 ANYONE who runs on ahead of God and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ who is not content with what He taught, does not have God"......WELL! so much for running on ahead! :D....Then on the other hand....what about staying behind ;D...Matt 24:24 He who had received one talent also came forward saying Master, I knew you to be a harsh and hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you had not winnowed the grain. So I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent, in the ground. Here you have what is your own.......We know what happened to him! :-[
The above two scriptures for me show two extreems and the bulls eye for me (and I might be playing Archery or simply darts here!)
but anyway, here it goes......Bulls eye for me is this....John 15: 9,10....abide in MY love....and live on it... and Mtt 11 :29....take MY yolk upon you and LEARN...OF ME.....
Are we (me included) giving too much emphasis on OUR yolks with humankind and perhaps insufficient attention to our yolk with Christ......?
I have recognised that this error has been concealed within me and now made visible through this thread.....
May His Mercy and Grace be to us all!
Arcturus :)
buddyjc:
Amen Arcturus. I was just thinking along the same lines. Being 'unequally yoked' is a hard thing to go through. When oxen were yoked side by side, they should be the same, but if one is shorter, it makes it difficult for the other to pull. It is difficult when one finds themselves in this situation, but as my signature says, If you don't know what to do, do what you know to do. Michele, all you have to do is focus on your relationship with Christ. Be submissive and obedient to your husband. Love him as Christ loves him. You know the saying, 'I would rather SEE a sermon, then hear one any day.' Show Christ to your husband by how you live your life.
1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
This works for your children as well. Your husband is in the place God wants him right now, but what about you? Perhaps God is teaching you something too? I have a wife who believes in Christ but is carnal. I am persecuted almost daily for my beliefs, so I just try to be the best husband I can be. Don't try to push, just live a life that will show him Christ.
Your Brother,
Brian
Deborah-Leigh:
Beautiful words Brian....they speak to me too!
Thank you
:)
andrevan:
--- Quote from: Michele on October 11, 2006, 05:52:38 AM ---I really appreciate everyones answers, I have only found comfort here so far and I hope I continue to learn God's Truth.
I have a lot of rants I hope you can help me with...years of anxiety, frustration, and fear to put in it's proper place.
I need help still though. My husband is completely into Carl Sagan and his Cosmos series, Ayn Rand and some guy named Gould who basically says that Jesus was maybe delusional in thinking that he was the son of God and how all of his prophesies didn't come true...... Each and everyone of these authors stands by the concept of "You are Your own and owe noone anything, you happened by chance/evolution, you are your own God) , whatever...and no need for any "Creator"...and people that believe in "God" are those who have no ability to direct their own lives and can't cope with the thought of not having an afterlife and on and on and on.....Is anyone here familiar
OH I am SO CONFUSED!
. When my husband who also loves my daughter very much sits down to share carl sagans "Cosmos" series with her.....and how we all popped up out of a quagmire of chemicals, just add water, no God needed, what am I to do? I feel sick to my stomach and flushed like I"m going to die on the spot because I have nothing that I can say to refute that... except when I told my daughter later that I had no problem with those dvds because I don't know how God created everything and I have no problem really with evolution or not evolution as long as God is given the credit for it all..except God was apparently Not involved in any way and I DO have a big problem with that. ANd I asked my husband (and it took all my courage to do so) I asked him if sagan was an atheist and he replied "Oh yes" in a definate positive as if anything otherwise was unspeakably ridiculous....and I said "I think he's a very smart, nice man and I won't hold his being an athiest against him if he won't hold me Not being an athiest against me". Feels stupid now but it's like I have a terror of anyone thinking that I don't believe in God....and I don't know WHY exactly? Why do I care what Anyone thinks?
It's because I've been lectured/read somewhere in the Bible that it's MY JOB to tell others about God and to speak up when they say god doesn't exist?
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Dear Michele, the ones that are delusional are Carl Sagan and Steven j. Gould. The religion & hypothesis of evolution is nothing but smoke and mirrors! Gould and Sagan CANNOT empirically (by experiment/observation) show that evolution has ever occured, they have not a clue!
Secular scientists CANNOT create life from dead matter, they've tried and they cannot do it! To top it off, they are using their intelligence in a controlled environment to try and create life ...WRONG! Life needs to come about by itself by pure random chance from DEAD matter. Furthermore, no one was present at the beginning of "evolutionary life", so they have NO IDEA what earth's environment was, so how can scientists ever recreate the situation? They can't!
Furthermore, they have not one scrap of empirical scientific evidence that shows ALL life desended from a common primordial cell, they CANNOT scientifically show it!
There is NO empirical scientific evidence that life descended from a common cell, and that life spontaneously came about from dead matter.
Evolution NEVER happened. In fact, random genetic mutations and natural selection go AGAINST evolution!
We most certainly did NOT come from a primordial pond of slime!!! NO child should be exposed to the soul destroying religion of evolution. Evolution justifies atheism, it is their RELIGION.
Atheists are REQUIRED by default to BELIEVE in the story of evolution.
Feel free to email me at andrevan808@yahoo.com and I will point you to some excellent articles that will completely destroy the ridiculous STORY of evolution.
God bless you!
Andrevan.
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