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Maybe Adam is the first man!!
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---Where does it say Adam and Eve were outside the garden of Eden.
--- End quote ---
We know they left the garden, but we do not know when they first left for sure.
Gen 6:4
(CLV) Now the distinguished come to be in the earth in those days, and, moreover, afterward, coming are those who are sons of the elohim to the daughters of the human, and they bear for them. They are the masters, who are from the eon, mortals with the name.
(JPS) The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
(KJV) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
(Rotherham) The giants, were in the each in these days, and also, after that, when the sons of God began to go in unto the daughters of men, and sons were born to them, the same, were the heroes that were from age-past times the men of renown.
Strong's says: bully, tyrant, giant. Concordant calls them "distinguished" which would fit what Strong says.
Native Americans have been here a long time: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_have_native_Americans_been_living_in_the_u.s
I know Ray talked about this. I hope it wasn't just to me alone, but publicly. Anyone remember?
wat:
Ray talks about it a bit in the Nashville 2008 postscript.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,9130.0.html
Under the heading "First Humans."
I think he's talked about it a few other places too, in a few emails I think.
Kat:
Here are a few places Ray had spoke on pre-Adam man.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,10158.0/nowap.html -------
Was adam & eve the first and only two people on earth in the beginning or were there other people too?
Dear Maureen: I'm afraid your question is not clear. What do you mean by "in the beginning?" At any
point in time if there are "other people" in the world, it CANNOT be "the beginning." If you mean: "Were
Adam and Eve the first and only humans on the earth at the end of the creation day [period] six," then I
would answer, "No." Humankind appears to go back tens of thousands of years further than the six
thousand or so years of genealogy attributed to Adam in the book of Genesis. Before Adam there was
"no man TO TILL the soil," not that there was "no man" period. Did Cain marry someone other than his
own sister? Who was Cain afraid would kill him before there were any other named humans on earth
besides his parents? Etc. Listen to my tapes on this subject from the Nashville Conference.
God be with you,
Ray
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12719.0.html ------------------
RAY'S COMMENT: Chapter two does not contradict chapter one. The order in chapter one is plants, animals, and then humanity. Is this not the order found in the geologic table? Chapter two does not recount the creation of humanity, but rather the creation of Adam and Eve. In Genesis 1:26 God "made" [Heb: 'asah'] male and female. In Gen. 2:6 God "formed" [Heb: 'yatsar'] Adam--two difference Hebrew words: two different formations. Notice that it doesn't say in chapter 2 verse 3 that there was no man on earth at this time, but rather that there was "no man to till the ground." There were men, but they were hunters/gatherers, not farmers. God is now going to make a more advance human to cultivate and farm the land.
The phrase "dress it and keep it" in verse 15, is "tend and cultivate." God is teaching Adam to be a farmer. When in doubt, read a proper translation. God did not create the animals AFTER He created Adam. Notice a proper translation from the Concordant Literal Old Testament: "And furthermore, Ieu Alueim ['the Lord God'] HAVING FORMED [yes, having ALREADY formed, millions of years in the past] all field life and every flyer of the heavens." God is bringing to Adam the Animal species which He had already created millions of years in the past, to have Adam give names to them. This obviously took years. Some, such as the dinosaurs (the reptilian 'tannyin, tannyim,' of Gen. 1:21 had already been extinct for many millions of years. These were decidedly not, "great whales," as the King James erroneously translates it).
It was from this first group of humanity that Cain apparently got his wife, cities were built, etc.
Chapter two does not cover the creation of plant life. That began hundreds of millions of years earlier. What God is doing in Chapter two is He is planting a garden for the man to cultivate, farm, and harvest. The word "planted" in Gen. 2:8 is from the Hebrew meaning "to sprout." God "sprouted" newly planted trees, etc. They were mere buds, which would require years to produce fruit to eat. What was Adam expected to eat until these trees matured?
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Thank you for your interest in our site. It is not possible for me to answer your questions
in a short email. Hundreds of thousands of scientists have written many thousands of
books dealing with the subjects you bring up. I will try to steer you in a direction, however,
which may help your faith rather than destroy it.
The first couple of chapters of Genesis are written in such a way that many of the major
concepts of biological evolution could be possible. For example,
Gen. 1:9-10 present the earth in the same configuration as do many geological scientists.
The land was all in one mass, which answers to the theory of Pangaea.
Gen. 1:11, God says "Let the EARTH bring forth grass (vegetation, green, algae).
From. 1:12 to 25, all things produced "after their kind," an absolute law of biology.
In Gen. 1:20 God again says, "Let the WATERS bring forth abundantly the moving
creature that has life..." He didn't say He "created," but let the "waters" do it. Also
God didn't say He created "fish," but rather "moving creatures" which could indicate
extremely small or microscopic simple life. Also notice that God didn't say He "created
birds," but rather "fowl." Gen. 7:14 clearly shows that there must be a difference between
"fowls" and "birds." This word "fowl" comes from a Hebrew word that simply means, "to
fly," and there are millions of "bugs" and things that can fly.
The point is, however, regardless of how or by what processes God used in creation, He
was behind all of it. The sea would have never brought forth little swimming creatures
except that first God COMMANDED that the waters do so.
So did God use a process of creation that could be compared to some of the theories
of biological evolution?
From the description of the "male and female" that God created in Gen. 1:26, there is no
indication that they could speak and/or had any particular skills, other than to live off of
the land and stay alive. It was "Adam" which God spoke to and who spoke back to God.
And it was Adam that had the ability to "cultivate" the Garden, as apparently the first
male and females did not know HOW to "till the ground" (Gen. 1:7). So maybe there was
an era in which humanity was not as developed as modern homo sapiens. Etc.
Ricky:
Nice post Kat. Ray says Adam and God were talking to each other, how is that possible, if no man has ever heard Gods voice.
Kat:
Hi Ricky,
God of the OT that spoke to Adam was the Son that became Jesus Christ, not the Father whom He spoke of as not being seen or heard.
John 5:37 `And the Father who sent me Himself hath testified concerning me; ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor His appearance have ye seen;
God of the OT was the Word or Spokesman for the Father.
John 1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
We can see in numerous places in Scripture where the OT God spoke to people and in several places where He did appear to people, so we can understand how He did appear and speak to Adam.
Gen 18:1 And Jehovah appeared unto him (Abraham) by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Gen 18:13 And Jehovah said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, who am old?
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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