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The Enemies of God
Dennis Vogel:
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--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on June 02, 2013, 11:46:52 AM ---So are you saying bad things never happen to good people?
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At this point in time I do not believe there is anyone of flesh and blood upon the face of the whole Earth that is good. All are evil to some degree or another.
So to answer your question...yes
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Obviously, that's relative to other people. Some are better than others.
--- Quote ---All are evil to some degree or another.
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You just made my point.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Trails1 on June 02, 2013, 12:13:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on June 02, 2013, 11:46:52 AM ---So are you saying bad things never happen to good people?
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At this point in time I do not believe there is anyone of flesh and blood upon the face of the whole Earth that is good. All are evil to some degree or another.
So to answer your question...yes
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Edit: I realized after posting this that there is some issue with how we define good people. I suppose if you are looking at it from an absolute perspective, then as God has said; there is none good, no not one.
However, if you look at it from a relativistic sense, that is, from the point of view of man, then there are just men such as Zechariah.
It is AN EXPERIENCE OF EVIL Elohim [God] has given to the SONS OF HUMANITY to humble them by it" (Ecc. 1:13, Concordant Literal Old Testament)
I'll just retract my statement and leave it at that. An experience of evil regardless of whether we compare men to men or men to God. Good or bad, evil befalls them all.
In Christ,
Alex
Joel:
It's no real surprise that the people that choose to live in tornado alley are going to get bowled over at some point in time.
I wouldn't want to build my house and set up shop on the rim of an active volcano. God does expect us to use our common senses I think.
Joel
microlink:
All is of God and from God. We have no power to convert or change the behaviour of people.
All humans are enemies of God until begotten by the Holy Spirit.
We are told to love our enemies, do good to those that persecute and pray for those that spitefully use you.
We are to be the salt of the earth and to let our light shine (by our deeds and behaviour and not by our words).
We can of ourselves do nothing. Only as God wills.
acomplishedartis:
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--- Quote from: Moises G. on June 02, 2013, 12:48:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: Trails1 on June 01, 2013, 08:17:28 AM ---Is it wrong to help and promote and love the enemies of God?
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This is how I see it. And I don't see any enigma here:
God doesn't have any enemies that could compete against him. When you are as powerfull as God, you can create your own enemy, and use it for a great purpose, specially if you want to teach your creatures trough contrasts in a world of contrats.
Of course is wrong to promote and help the enemies of God. As we can see, Jesus wasn't promoting or helping the religious leaders of His time, actually Jesus was his enemy since his teachings where all about spiritual matters of consequence while the religious leaders where stocked in useless rituals and where hypocrites. I believe that, watching from a large scale view, Christendom have poison society in so many ways.
And Yes, we should love (agapao-giving without expecting anything) our enemies, but we should not love (phileo-sharing as a close friend) our enemies...
Moises
ps. Even when many churches do ''good works''; many times, vanity, self promotion/advertising, and a self right attitude/ego is involved. But this too is part of the whole game, because if they would not do this things, they would not be able to deceive the whole world.
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Is it wrong to help and rescue those from their punishment that God has put upon them to try to cause them to repent from their sins and evil ways?
For example if God sent tornadoes and floods to destroy towns here in America because they are promoting and committing same sex marriage and promiscuous out of marriage sex and all kinds of abominations and adultery and fornication's and abortions and etc. etc. etc.
Is it wrong to deliver them from their punishment and correction from God?
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I was already done with posting, but I will try to answer... The reason for why I suspect that your answer got a different reaction that you probably expected is because you are making a lot of assumptions on it (and probably with out you noticing it):
you said: Is it wrong to help and rescue those from their punishment that God has put upon them to try to cause them to repent from their sins and evil ways?
Firs when you talk about ''help and rescue'' Are you talking about a spiritual rescue or physical?
You are assuming that God's punishment is over entire groups of people, when God is going to judge us individually. I believe that what Dennis said would answer well that assumption. Humanity is not yet in the White Throne of judgment, in the present, good and bad things happen to all kinds of people and there is an overabundance of examples all around us to prove that point.
Here are a couple statements that I once wrote which might help somehow:
Poverty and human suffering are not even sins/mistakes by themselves, neither symptoms of diseases nor something like that. These are just temporally physical conditions that can simply be the result of way too many circumstances totally out of the control of the people lacking the resources or experiencing the discomforts.
Many times, murder, corruption, fornication, stupid waste, etc. are simply the result of certain social structures. The enemy is not out there somewhere on a physical location, the enemy is IN US!
No quantity of money or human worldly power’ will ever finish with the hassles of humanity. God is in control OF EVERYTHING and not us, He has already formulated a PERFECT AND BENEVOLENT PLAN for His creation and He has said that he is going to accomplished it...
...I hope that nobody thinks that I believe that helping personally the physical poor with a pure attitude and motivation when the opportunity is presented is totally meaningless. This is not the case, because let’s remember that the Most High is always watching;
If, the oppression of the poor, and the wresting of justice and righteousness, thou see in the province, do not be astonished over the matter,—for, ONE HIGH ABOVE THE HIGHEST, IS WATCHING, YEA, THE MOST HIGH, IS OVER THEM. (Ec. 5:8)
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