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King David
microlink:
I know , without exception, that God's word does not contradict.
I have a question that I hope someone can help me with. Ray has said that King David will not be in the first resurrection. This has shocked many people. I think he based this on the fact that David died in an attitude of hatred toward his enemies as scripture shows in 1 Kings 2:6-9 (below). This conclusion seems very plausible and believable that David will not be in the first resurrection.
However in Ezek 34 and 37 and in Hosea 2 we read about King David in the Kingdom. As well we find that in Acts 13 that David was considered to be a man after God's own heart (scripture KJV also shown below). How is this to be figured out? Did Ray explain this somewhere because I have not found it on the web site.
1Ki 2:6 Do therefore according to thy wisdom, and let not his hoar head go down to the grave in peace.
1Ki 2:7 But shew kindness unto the sons of Barzillai the Gileadite, and let them be of those that eat at thy table: for so they came to me when I fled because of Absalom thy brother.
1Ki 2:8 And, behold, thou hast with thee Shimei the son of Gera, a Benjamite of Bahurim, which cursed me with a grievous curse in the day when I went to Mahanaim: but he came down to meet me at Jordan, and I sware to him by the LORD, saying, I will not put thee to death with the sword.
1Ki 2:9 Now therefore hold him not guiltless: for thou art a wise man, and knowest what thou oughtest to do unto him; but his hoar head bring thou down to the grave with blood.
1Ki 2:10 So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
Eze_34:24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.
Eze_37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
Eze_37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Hos_3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.
Act_13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.
Can anyone discuss this?
Dave in Tenn:
is the question answered in the next verse?
Act 13:23 Of the seed of this one (David), according to promise, God raised up to Israel a Savior, Jesus;
Act 13:24 John going before to proclaim before the face of His entrance a baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Act 13:25 And as John fulfilled the course, he said, Whom do you suppose me to be? I am not He, but, behold, "He comes after me, of whom I am not worthy to loosen the sandal of His feet." (John 1:27)
Yet: Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
John didn't end his life full of hate for his enemies, yet there he is in comparison to the least in the Kingdom. NOT RISEN A GREATER among all that are born of women, yet the least in the Kingdom is greater than he. How can the least be greater if John is there? The least could be equal, he could be the least...but the least cannot be greater if he is included in the equation.
Can I ask a question in return? Why is it such a shock (or disappointment?) that David and John will not be in the kingdom? Is the "kingdom" some universalist 1:1 'replacement' for the christian notion of heaven? Is the Lake of Fire a universalist 1:1 replacement of the christian notion of hell? Just trying to get at the root of the 'problem'/shock. There is an order to these things. The first shall be last, and the last first.
microlink:
Thanks Dave,
Yes, some food for thought for sure. Still does not address Ezek and Hosea. David is not mentioned in the faith chapter in Hebrews from what I recall. Raises the question also about those in the faith chapter as to whether they will be in the first resurrection. I will meditate on this some more and discuss further. thanks again!
microlink:
Thanks greatly John and Dave. You guys have shed new light for me on some of those perplexing questions. Much different than what I learn't in WCG. This just prompts me to dig deeper in the spiritual meaning of the Holy Scriptures and realize that ALL is of Christ.
Eph_1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him.
Appreciated!!
loretta:
Not John the Baptist too! :) And after being beheaded too... What disqualified him? that he doubted that Jesus was the One? My self confidence has really taken a beating!! I don't think I qualify to judge the Patriarchs, not in a thousand years
I'm not ready to preach this one, they'll laugh me out of town! But I want to learn the truth. Shall really appreciate some more teaching and some more links to Ray's papers. tks
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